I am shocked by how terribly distorted V for Vendetta and the Remember Remember poem has become. How an inherently revolutionary movie and event, with organized violence as it’s modem for change, can be misconstrued into an American liberal battle cry to “GET OUT AND VOOOOTEEEE” is beyond me.
*edit - I’ll probably rewatch the movie and read the comic soon just to see if it holds up, as I’m hearing some solid criticisms from the comments below. I didn’t mean this to be a pro V for Vendetta post where I fetishize the movie, more just saying it’s very clearly a revolutionary film (even if it’s method in bringing about revolution is trash) and liberals still found a way to make it about voting and operating under the rules they are given in this system. That’s all :)
I guess you could blame “Anonymous” and their CIA handlers
I haven’t read the comic, but iirc it’s an anarchist story, not really revolutionary. V is an anarchist savior terrorist doing propaganda of the deed, and thinking if he assassinates enough leaders and bombs enough buildings, that he can save the world.
This is very much in line with how anarchists have conducted political struggle historically, and have failed every time, but in the story, after he kills the reactionary leaders, magically no one decides to fill the power vacuum.
As Fidel said, when given the chance to assassinate batista and many of the reactionary leaders near the end of the war, they intentionally didn’t care to do so, even though it would’ve been easy. Taking territory, seizing cities, and taking over infrastructure, and putting it under control of the revolutionary army was infinitely more important.
I just remember a scene where the masses end up storming this huge governmental building and while it still appeals to the while spontaneous revolution type of thing and just taking out the bad apples that still seemed pretty based. If I remember right V was more of the leader of the group but I could totally be wrong it’s been years lol.
Interesting. I don’t remember that part but again I only remember bits and pieces.
I agree and understand that, I just was pointing out how hard liberals can contort things when analyzing even the most pro-revolution movies/media (whether it be anarchist-esque revolutions or successful ones)
Its been a super long time since I’ve seen the movie too, so I could also be getting some things wrong. I bet some marxist whose read the comic has a good write up on it.
But ya I agree with your point that liberals will take any revolutionary message and twist it to their own ends. Like how the hell did the red pill from the matrix, which is a plot device for when you take the choice to no longer ignore exploitation, enslavement, and propaganda, and accept a truth about yourself (trans themes in there) become a mens rights movement thing for “women are controlling men”.
I’ll try to find a good essay or video lol.
Exactly. They stop at nothing lmao
He’s not even really doing it to free the country. His primary motivation for most of the story is revenge.
I watched it yesterday with a friend, because I really enjoyed it in my more lib days. I still think it is a good comic book movie, as in it is visually interesting, but my friend brought up a few hood points that made me reconsider my opinion of the film.
V for Vendetta is too vague in its message, as in different people can feel like their views and opinions are represented in it. In many ways the message is quite liberal; England became an authoritarian dystopia because a few evil people manipulated the masses, and all we need to do is kill those people.
At the end of the film the people who orchestrated the epidemic and became rich and powerful from the vaccine are killed, leaving a power vacuum. The masses have not been educated. There is no vanguard party. The people just rose up against the current bad people, but noone had any plans for how to fix anything or what to do next. There was never any criticism of the structures that led to the problems they were fighting against. There is no reason to think that at the end of it all things will improve.
That definitely makes sense to me and I’m sure if I rewatched it I would come to similar conclusions. Haven’t seen it in a while.
Like I said above, it was less a pro-VfV post and more just pointing out how even openly revolutionary movies and media (regardless of the method) can be misconstrued by liberals in their analysis. Like the post about Star Wars and how it inspired that lib to VOOTE HARDERRR type of thing. Just thought it was funny.
The main thing in its favor is the moment at the end where V drops his self-aggrandizing gloryhog fantasy to put it in the hands of “the people”. Everything in the film led up to it. But aside from that, I agree.
I do think conservatives seeing themselves in V requires some wild brainworms because he worships a queer lady and commits violence against the in-universe equivalent of fox news.
I haven’t watched that movie in forever. I really liked it when I was younger, I need to see if it holds up.
I haven’t seen it in a long time either. There definitely are some issues with it (kind of relies on the whole spontaneous revolution ideal and some other things) but overall has a revolutionary theme and a pretty practical take on violence and class warfare as far as I remember. All I know is that liberals use the poem/event/movie as a call to action to vote which is just hilarious to me.
I’ll watch it again and see if it holds up as well.
I remember the scene where a cop kills a citizen (maybe even a child). They surround him and beat him to death. You don’t see that too often in mainstream movies.
Definitely not. I just know it’s openly revolutionary (regardless of the method, I am hearing feedback on my post recalling poor revolutionary practice in the movie but I don’t really remember it all) and liberals STILL find a way to make it about operating within the system they’re given and VOOOOTING. Lol
I haven’t read it, but I’ve heard that the comic is much better
Better as in far more interesting, adult, and psychedelic, yes. Better at Marxism, no.
