As an artist, I think it is a net negative for us. Disregarding the copyright issue, I think it’s also consolidating power into large corporations, going to kill learning fundamental skills (rip next generation of artists), and turn the profession into a low skill minimum wage job. Artists that spent years learning and perfecting their skills will be worth nothing and I think it’s a pretty depressing future for us. Anways thoughts?
This is a really poor take. Programmers spend years honing their craft and work long hours like anybody else. In fact, way morose than artists, programmers are expected to study in their free time after work. If you don’t tell an employer your after work hobby is programming and programming is your only passion, you won’t get hired. We’re all in the same boat, artists aren’t some special enlightened class.
Artists, and I mean this more broadly than just the visual arts, often dedicate their life to their work. There isn’t necessarily a free time after work because most artists have to cobble together multiple freelance and part-time incomes to scrape by. You missed their broader point that programmers are speaking as an authority on a field they know very little about.
Rubbish. Nothing Gopnik Award said is speaking authoritatively to the experience of artists, just to their own experience.
Thanks, and you’re right - they don’t know. Literally, and I mean quite literally, everyone I know who went into programming or CS has done so for the money and status. Who in their right mind thinks that they are going to get rich being an artist? The only guy I know who isn’t at all interested in CS for the money is studying privacy and other ethical issues at the academic level. I know he’s very passionate about cryptology and math, and has devoted a lot of time to educating a lot of people about what he knows.
Artists I think are also use to criticism (especially the more they advance). So are educators or anybody that is in front of an audience.
Programmers and people who are defending AI don’t know what it’s like to have their work criticized and they can’t handle it. It’s because they aren’t artists and will resort to throwing insults or dogpiling instead of actually thinking about the criticism they are recieving.
I’ve been reading this thread and from one communist artist to another, I fully agree with you. I’m on your side. Don’t know wtf is wrong with the other person, they seem to be a materialist reductionist not understanding that we’re trying to improve the human condition, not automate literally everything. It’s sad, but from reading this thread there seems to be a huge dialectical contradiction between artists and programmers in our worldview and goals.
Thanks friend. It’s very sad to me that people would willingly not think critically about something like this, just because they think it’s “cool” to prompt overly rendered images of space aliens and furry boobs.
For somebody who does art as their full-time day job you sure seem to think way more highly of programmers and not very highly of artists. I know you replied to another user saying that you were a full time artist but I doubt that is true. Prompting AI on Mid journey and all the other stuff you listed doesn’t make you a full time artist.
I’m not at war with programmers. My husband is a programmer. Programmers are fellow proletariat and potential comrades. There’s also a lot of overlap, most artists in my field do a small bit of programming as part of their day. Either with code or more often with node graphs. And tech artists spend most of their days only programming but they’re absolutely still artists and couldn’t do their jobs without art skills. You should stop thinking of this as a us vs them.
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Most people enter programming and CS, in general, for the money. I don’t think that anybody who is an artist expects to go in it to get rich. You are wrong about programmers spending more time developing their skills as opposed to artists. I live in Austin and am around programmers all the time - they have the money, time, energy and resources to do and get most things they need and want. My wife and I are in the arts and can barely afford to live but the reason we keep going is because we are motivated to keep going and we haven’t sold our souls.
The one person I know who is genuinely passionate about CS is doing graduate school and studying ethics within the field. He didn’t go into it for the money and honesty I haven’t met anybody else like him.