• dx1@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The “human shields” reasoning has been circulating for at least a decade. “Look, we had to kill the civilians, the militants were hiding behind them!” I don’t know on what planet that reasoning is supposed to be acceptable.

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      1 year ago

      War or killing is never acceptable. Unfortunately in this case it seems less of the two evils due to Hammas making sure everyone can see what atrocities they are capable off instead of showing world what Palestinians hardship is like.

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      1 year ago

      Its 2023, we catch the American government trying to cover this shit up all the time https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/18/us/airstrikes-pentagon-records-civilian-deaths.html

      Why are so many people willing to believe “Hamas uses human shields” without even a shred of evidence? How is acceptable to keep funding and arming Israel when there is no accountability for how they use those weapons?

      • GreenM@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Can you prove they are not? Like where in the Gaza is their military base e.g. ? If they aren’t mixed in Civilian where the hell are they? Also acts like murdering kids don’t really add them any credibility. To me it looks rather that their fighting tactics is trying to exploit the fact that enemy is not so willing to shoot at civilians as they are to shoot combatants.

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          1 year ago

          can you prove that they’re not?

          That’s not how this works dawg. You can’t commit war crimes and expect everyone to be cool with it if you’re not providing evidence to back your claims of “they took human shields, there’s nothing we could do”

          If they’re not mixed in Civilian where the hell are they?

          If they don’t know where Hamas is, if they don’t have evidence, then what is the plan? To level all of Palestine?

          Remember when the US thought Iraq had WMDs? Woulda been nice if we like… had evidence first right? Coulda saved a lot of money and lives, no?

          the enemy is not so willing to shoot civilians

          Wtf are you talking about? You’re literally spreading the propaganda that has allowed Israel to kill 36x as many children as Palestinians have killed

          • GreenM@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            They took the hostages and killed tons of people , it’s all over security cameras, there are witnesses, people from German and other countries recognized those hostages as their family member. Hammas posted video of dealing with those hostages. Hostages are women, kids and men. Are you saying that is not hiding behind the kids and women? I have tons of proofs to believe they do this.

            You got only “Nana they are actually good people”
            So that it actually how this not works… That’s why I gave you opportunity to present evidence that Hammas is not lowest scam in the region. You presented nothing.

            • hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest
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              1 year ago

              I have tons of proofs to believe they do this.

              To be clear, I also think Hamas took hostages. I just don’t think most people consider that “being a human shield” unless there is imminent danger to the hostage taker.

              You got only “Nana they are actually good people”

              You realize that you can’t prove a negative empirically?

              I’ll prove Hamas isn’t using human shields when you prove the tooth fairy don’t exist.

              • GreenM@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                in other words, you got nothing to prove your OP, so you play it into corner, so to speak. You started with claim that is against existing evidence and when challenged you can’t prove the evidence wrong.

                BTW taking civilian hostages is very well definition of human shield. That’s the whole point of hostages. Your terrorists friends use them as meat shield, so their oponent is forced into dilema, either risk loosing their people or to give in. Bank robbers, airplane highjackers, etc… use this all the time.

                You might be confusing it with taking enemy combatants into jail to prevent them fighting in war. But even those are not paraded trough streets, naked, half-dead/ dead, with dislocated limbs, on truck, while being spitted on.