• bigschnitz@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Google pedestrian deaths by SUVs compared to conventional sedans. To say there is no rational argument against the SUV trend is laughably ignorant.

    It also confuses me why yanks keep pretending small SUVs have more space than conventional station wagons. Unless you’re going full Yankee and think a 7 seater is “small”… despite the size they often have worse visibility and less passenger space, it’s a genuinely impressive how bad something like a Nissan kicks or toyota C-HR manage to be.

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      8 months ago

      Ahahahahaha, fucking station wagon? Seriously? Sorry, the 1980’s are long gone.

      The ridiculous arguments here are priceless. Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, and spoons make people fat right? Why blame the person behind the wheel, when you can blame the tool right? Personal responsibility? What’s that?

      I’m seriously questioning at this point if you people even grasp what a CUV is, because that’s the overwhelming majority herez not the SUVs of 15yrs ago. I for your sake, I hope station wagon means something else there as well. NOBODY wants to be caught dead in a fucking station wagon

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        7 months ago

        Ok so we could’ve saved time if you just said you’re the least cool person imaginable with negative sense of style. Claiming that this is somehow cooler than this is entirely indefensible, SUVs are the literal antithesis of cool, the “soccer mum” moniker is not a term of endearment and your insinuation that wagons are uncool or old fashioned is, at best, misinformed.

        Aside from just being criminally uncool and unsexy, there are objective ways that SUVs/CUV are worse as well, most notably safety for other road users but also higher cost and of course the one people like me care about: that they also that they universally drive worse than a comparable passenger car.

        I guess you didn’t Google the safety stats on SUVs vs passenger cars, your allegory to blaming the tools is flawed. It’s more like saying guns without safetys are more dangerous than those with them. All cars (much like all guns) are dangerous, but some are more likely to be involved in accidents than others.

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          8 months ago

          Aside from those station wagons literally not exiting here, that I’d assume cx60? Is a lot more plain will less body lines than what we have, that stwag isn’t terrible looking, but still couldn’t do it. If people wanted them, they’d sell them here.

          Also seems they have bigger engines and clearly a larger physical footprint than my wife’s CUV, so that argument is gone as well.

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            8 months ago

            If people wanted them, they’d sell them here.

            Yeah depending on where “here” is different things are available. If people don’t buy them or if dealers make more money off SUVs, then they will be gone.

            Also seems they have bigger engines and clearly a larger physical footprint than my wife’s CUV, so that argument is gone as well.

            Size and fuel economy weren’t things I mentioned above, but yeah I agree with you. Usually station wagons, like SUVs, have different engine configurations which dictates fuel economy more than ride height. The fuel efficiency argument against SUVs is a little out of date, the smaller ones are shared chassis with passenger cars often with the same engine, so fuel economy is more or less unchanged (the aero is worse on an SUV, but the kind we are discussing it’s not really significant). By footprint I guess you mean length, which in the example I have is right, obviously height goes the other way. Smaller SUVs are more comparable to hatchbacks (eg Mazda 3 is the same as CX-30), I don’t think the mid sized car platform is as directly comparable to the mid sized CUV/SUV.