Reddit improved their anti-ban evasion system, cuz it’s the sixth or more failed attempt at evading a permanent ban. Never more, I am staying here.
FUCK YOU, SPEZ!
Ugh. So much to unpack here.
First off, you have to act like a massive shit-loaf to get perma’ed from Reddit in the first place. Now you’re declaring your love for this community because you can’t get back into Reddit.
Welcome, I guess.
Right. More often than not when these posts pop up you can check their comment history and see exactly why they keep getting banned.
Just reading some of the post is often enough.
I’m going through OP’s comment history right now and I barely see anything iffy
First off, you have to act like a massive shit-loaf to get perma’ed from Reddit in the first place.
In a lot of cases, yes. Not in all of them, due to bot-based bans.
It’d be a real shame if fascists were abusing the harassment report on anyone that disagrees with them.
Kind of funny that you mentioned fascists - my first permaban there was from telling Nazist to shoot himself like Hitler did. (10/10 experience, would get banned again.)
On-topic: I believe that abuse of the report function to get people banned is already a reality there for years. Not just from fascists; the typical Reddit user is petty, and I do think that the so-called voting brigades also abuse the report function.
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I don’t even blame it for the ban itself, to be honest. The person in question was trash, but it’s simply easier to enforce a rule like “don’t goad suicide” than one like “don’t goad suicide, unless the person in question is a piece of shit”, and the later opens some awkward precedents. I do blame it for 1) the gaslighting in the ban message (“multiple violations” my arse, it was one violation) and 2) banning 3/4 of my accounts - and the exception being the acc that I used for mod duties (“keep working for free, sucker”).
It’d be a real shame if fascists were abusing the harassment report on anyone that disagrees with them.
One of my accounts was permabanned because a fascist spammer who ran some “anti-fascist” branded political spam subs kept reporting me for harassment when I linked to their own content in other subs, and I got bored of constantly appealing. Also reddit got rid of all their big subreddits and main accounts eventually. They’re still on the site 24/7/365 on dozens of alts but they have a small audience now.
They were a semi-known personality on the site and had basically been banned from any sub they claimed to be politically aligned with, for self-promotion, being an asshole, etc. Had dozens of alts permabanned by reddit admins as well. Basically they had alts/personas that catered to different political views, like red pill content, liberal content, anti-fascist content, fascist pro-police content. They’d have alts with bios like “I’m a trans woman!” and “Go Zelenskyy! Slava Ukraine!” for whatever content they wanted to market to or identities they wanted to speak on behalf of. Oh and this was for profit, they had links to shitty self-published books and those websites where you can upload your designs, they sold shitty NFTs and comics. If you went to their book links there’d be 5 star reviews from people who only reviewed their books and suspicious stuff like that. The book’s publisher would have books with different pseudonyms of his name, books about how men are only nice to women for sex, next to a book about being liberal, etc. It was like generated spam targeted towards all sorts of trending political topics.
I got permabanned arguing with right wing trolls. I don’t think I was too bad, but maybe?
Who can say, right? The gears of Reddit are inscrutable.
That said, when you engage with an extremist, there’s always 20 other extremists looking at your replies and just waiting to report you if you say the slightest mean thing. They are mucilaginous troglodytes and one mustn’t extend to them the credence that they’re dealing in good faith.
Yeah, I assume I got mass reported and the admins either didn’t care to look at it or they’re extremists themselves
You’ll get reported as a suicide risk. You gotta love those messages.
you have to act like a massive shit-loaf to get perma’ed from Reddit in the first place
I had an account perma’d there for saying “the only good nazi is a dead nazi” which I accept was against TOS but would argue does not make me a “massive shit-loaf”
I got perma banned for saying the mods ban people too easy and they need to rethink their criteria for ban Guess I’m a “massive shit-loaf” with you too
Likewise. The mods don’t like being told that. I got my account banned for agreeing with someone that they were too ban-happy. Appealed it, which of course was denied…
Fuck that shithole.
Amazingly his account here is banned now. I would argue that does make him a “massive shit-loaf”
you have to act like a massive shit-loaf to get perma’ed from Reddit in the first place
Untrue
Yep I got permabanned for saying I’d lick the sweat out of a fat chick’s folds for €20
Maybe the price was too high, I dunno
Should’ve stuck to posting on /r/paytolickfatfolds
It’s actually not too hard to get perma’d due to a handful of bullshit/nonsensical bans that just stack up over time. Also, they were VERY liberal with the permaban hammer around when they announced the API lockdown.
I got permabanned on Reddit (it got turned around because even the mods of the subreddit and of other subreddits said it was bullshit) for making a joke about wishing Indiana’s attorney general got punched in the face because he said something about something being a punch in the face. Like they banned me for jokingly wishing what he said happened to him metaphorically would just happen to him. Not saying someone should do it, certainly not saying I would do it, just wishing that it would happen. Permaban from all of Reddit for a joke that didn’t actually call for violence and was clearly just referencing the post’s headline.
No, you really don’t. Criticize Israel, see what happens.
Incorrect
I got banned by a bot because I went into an antivax subreddit to question them. The fact I posted on a “forbidden” subreddit got me auto banned by about a dozen subreddits, instantly. There was NO attempt to check the comment for context. Then I forgot I was banned by one of them and months later posted with another account and got permabanned for ban evasion. A 10 yr account down the drain.
post the usernames?
I still don’t know why Reddit permabanned me. They never gave me a reason, and when I submitted an appeal asking why I got banned I got what looked like an auto-reply saying “upon careful consideration…etc etc” Did I act like a shit-loaf? Idk, maybe? But if so I’d think they’d be able to tell me specifically why I deserved it.
I got banned from several subreddits for participating in r/conspiracy. By participating, i did some kind of bit with another user about OJ prices.
Beeing banned in a few subs and getting perma IP banned from reddit are two very different things.
My partner doesn’t use reddit and hasn’t used lemmy. She was permabanned despite not commenting or posting for about 6 months. The comments that were there were just asking questions about video games.
No reason or explanation was given. The only recent behaviour was subscribing to a trans-supportive community. We figure that might have pissed off an admin somehow. That’s the only activity that she did during those 6 months. If either of us should have been banned, it should have been me, to be honest. We have different IPs, so there shouldn’t have been any confusion on who was who. My account stayed active, even though I admittedly wasn’t always friendly with people. Every account she made was also banned without reasoning.
I initially stopped using it because I thought that was dumb, then a few months later the whole API thing happened.
Best of luck to you, I hope you continue to have a better experience than we did lol.
Ugh. So much to unpack here.
Yikes
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Let me guess:
It’s always morally correct to punch a Nazi
Even a baby Nazi?
Are they dressed up as one, or did they join the party of their own choosing?
They had a little speck of dirt under their nose.
Especially a baby Nazi.
Little fuckers …
Ugh. So much to unpack here.
I can’t imagine a greeting more Lemmy than that
I wonder why I see it as cunty when people say “so much to unpack”?
You’re all here rather than reddit. Nothing new.
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Nope. It was due to participation in the black out protests.
which niche porn communities are you looking for
Many niche subs, have been forcibly removed during the protest era.
lmao, nothing, just some more obscure games
Right but which porn games
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead (Zomboid like game, but 10x harder) and MechTech
10x harder than zomboid? Fuck that.
You should try it, it has zombies, aliens, magic, bionics and mutations! Also, tip: “If you try to leave a location, try be as stealth as possible, because monsters have unlimited stamina, if they see you, unless you have a way to reliably kill them (small weapons are a no-no and I never found a gun), they gonna kill you even if they are a single one, cuz you won’t be able to outrun them after your stamina ends, and an average zombie will take 80% of your life if you are bare fisted or with a small weapon, your only hope in this case is find the localization you are going for (be it a city or smth), and hide somewhere.”
Played as a crack head and just smoked crack ti I died after breaking my legs.
Lmao
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Maybe an idea to make one? I’ve never heard of it before but the community existing is a start
Sure, you should try these games if you like big brain games
Cdda’s Lemmy community is sadly quiet at the moment. Are you on the discords? Cause those are the busiest places I know of
I achieved the feat of getting banned there lmao, happens to the best of us
Yume nikki, probably
I think I will play that game someday
Probably something basic like corruption of champions or trapquest
The obscure videogame subreddits are what I miss the most. Made one here on lemmy for a game I love and only one other person has commented since July.
Well if you share it here maybe people will join :)
If it has posts occasionally, it might also show up on All.
LOL I love how oddly specific the porn subreddits are.
BusinessBabes
It was banned for not being moderated. Fucking RIP
Please don’t bring that attitude to lemmy. I just want peace. I honestly don’t know what you did but chances are its not going to be welcome here
Am I the only one who wants it to stay exactly like it is?
Maybe a weird take coming from a recent redditfugee butnbint feels perfect as is. Like reddit read before all the enshittifcation like 8 years ago.
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This just shows that you don’t know about or understand the genesis of lemmy itself.
The primary contributors/developers are tankies. I strongly disagree with their views, but I like the software, because it’s FOSS, and it actually does something pretty cool.
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I finally overwrote all my comments and deleted my account. 16 years there, but as soon as I checked the front page this week before deleting, every comment and post was the same old “this” and “take my upvote” and vitriolic hate toward different or uncommon opinions, zero dialogue, such a mess
Thanks lemmings
You forgot “and my axe”, “to shreds you say” and “I wish they didn’t remove awards so I could give you one”, or maybe even the ‘rare’ “take my angry upvote and leave”?
Yeah I like that we can actually hold real conversations here, as far as ‘real’ goes of course.
You forgot “this is the way”
^^ This
Take my upvote and get out.
Thanks for the gold kind stranger! (Well not anymore hehe)
Yup. It feels like I am usually talking to individuals here, which is much more enjoyable than flailing in an overwhelming monoculture.
Y’indeed I love seeing notifications here and reload every few minutes to see if someone replied to me (not now obviously because I’m high and forgot to reply to you earlier and it’s also taking me a good few minutes to type up this reply).
On Reddit I usually hoped that everyone upvoted, of course, and that none of them reply. Especially when I argumented with someone, because I’m actually really bad at argumenting about things I perceive as negative. […]
The rest is just a stoned tirade (I didn’t want to delete it because I find it amusing), there’s no Tl;Dr to be made, just don’t read it unless you choose to make me a god and want to use the genoxidedev1 lore to practice that new religion. Anyways:
[…] I’m also bad at argumenting about things I’m good at, which only leaves me being good at argumenting about things I’m bad at, but I’f im good at argumenting about things I’m bad at it would mean that I’m good at argumenting about me argumenting about things I’m good at, so, if we use that logic for all the other things I could be doing I’m actually the best at everything. Wow. I just lost an argument against myself, cool or something.
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That was quick, thanks! Have one back
Bestowing +1 Dopamine
2 people giving me positive status effects in such little time, I wonder what the boss fight is gonna be…
how do you see reply notifications on kbin
I also choose to beat this mans dead horse
“I wish they didn’t remove awards so I could give you one”
That’s a new one to me! Because they still had awards the last time I used it.
Yea that’s just what replaced the “Have my poor mans gold 🏅” now, which still somehow comes up too.
Hold my updoot, I’m going in
Plenty of that shit on here mate
And pun chains, and a guy quoting a Simpsons episode followed by 12 more idiots quoting the rest of the episode. Painful. I see that shit in lemmy but not nearly as much.
Just make sure to check again in a day or two. At the height of the purge, reddit was shown to be restoring deleted or over-written comments to what they were before.
I know that they were restoring deleted accounts, but I don’t think there’s any way for them to restore over written comments to previous versions, so overwritten comments are probably more important than actually deleting the account, although you can delete it after you overwrite everything.
Nothing is ever deleted from Reddit and edits are stored. Deleting it doesn’t actually delete it, it just marks it as deleted.
This is information coming directly from Reddit devs/admins over the years.
Can you link to evidence of comments being timestamped, restored or archived by reddit? I’ve read about both deletes being reversible and edits being stored, but I found no incontrovertible evidence for comment iterations being stored or recovered, although there seems to be a lot of anecdotal evidence for deleted accounts being easily restored by admins, which would make sense.
No because I can’t be bothered. Its common knowledge and again, this comes from multiple confirmations even from spez himself.
I’ve heard that repeated, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it with regards to overwritten comments. Deletions, yes, but so far there doesn’t seem to be any cause for concern for restoring overwritten comments.
I had stopped using Reddit but hadn’t deleted my account, your comment reminded me to do that. Just deleted it. :)
Nice. The increase in content is not worth the headache and tedium.
I evaded my lifetime ban for more than 5 years on my new main.
The hell are you posting there?!Yeah these posts by people who consistently get banned always have me feeling a little skeptical (no shade on OP if legit).
Like what did they do tho
I just went to check and it looks like they were banned for asking somebody to kill themselves…? Feels like maybe they shouldn’t be doing that, regardless of whether or not they were on their fifth account.
And the thing is Reddit doesn’t go straight for the perma. A user generally has to have a history of warnings and smaller bans first.
I know this doesn’t apply to all but it applies to many: I used to mod a sub that I made like 15 years ago and I have seen the worst behavior from people over the years - deranged people who feel they are the center of the world and behave in insane ways - they disappear after a small admin ban and when it’s over, they’ll come back even stupider and angrier. And the best, the best, the best and most predictable part is when they portray it as being banned over one thing. No, it was a banning for a pattern of being a heinous cretin.
From what we see in this very post and comments, it fits the archetype.
Yeah that’s a ‘go fuck yourself’ type deal. If that’s what OP did, then that’s what I’m telling them. To go fuck themselves. (And also to stop playing the victim here)
I wonder if it might be one or two admins who power trip. They’re just as human as the rest of us after all.
Powertripping or just arbitrarily making poorly thought out split decisions.
Nothing ;-; I am chill, I swear, I was just a bit toxic in my first account
A bit?
Feels like there is more to the story.
What’d you get banned for?
I got banned for telling some right wing troll to go fuck themselves and can’t get around their ban evasion now either. Reddit got really soft and bans for any “personal attack”
Reddit got really soft and bans for any “personal attack”
Can you get around it if you suffix every comment with “Nothing personal.”
Fuck you. Nothing personal.
To be extra sure, also preface it:
No offense, but fuck you. Nothing personal.
You mean, “nothing personnel, kid”
You can definitely get around it, but is it really worth the effort?
They started banning much more freely shortly before the whole 3P API fuckery - surely as another part of the IPO prep. I was getting banned for relatively innocuous comments, and would always get my account reactivated a week after appealing. My last appeal was accepted during the blackout, but I just never bothered to log back on …
Their ban system was always very broken and the appeal system slow and shitty.
Yeah, my point is they suddenly became significantly more aggressive.
reddit if they cared as much about actually toxic comments:
And this place isn’t? I was banned for the following comment the other day:
Can’t find a single link to methodology or what the population was. Unless my Google is horrific I would take this with a grain of salt. Men are definitely overrepresented. However in my 15 years of experience working in the field I’ve seen maybe one overt case of sexism. I can count on one hand times where I’ve heard a “under the radar” type problematic statement that I’ve needed to address. I do not believe this data is representative of anything in the US or EU from my personal experiences.
And
Good. This is a simple fucking trademark case and the union is going to lose hard. A first year JV could win this.
I even got one calling me genocidal but can’t see it. I would love to see what I said that was genocidal lol.
Modlog is a disaster with tons of " I don’t agree with you so I’m going to call you a troll and remove your comment". Go look for yourself.
Lol ignore the data listen to my datum!
Or:
“How anecdotal data makes you more smarter and correcter!”
Are you dense? Line number one. Nothing was published.
This was my experience with lemmy.world too.
Are you serious?
that’s fucked
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Same, but it was a kys to some guy I had a beef for some time, I really wonder what a reddit admin was doing looking at a NSFW AI subreddit because that ban was way too fast and no one claimed the deed in the comments even the guy who I was discussing with lol
Yeah… that would be a Reddit key word ban most likely, not a mod, maybe went across an admin.
Well, that sucls, thanks for saying tho
You should probably stop looking at ai generated cp.
What
People don’t get permabanned based on IP from Reddit for looking at normal NSFW content. No your “it’s anime” loophole doesn’t hold water in the real world
I really wonder what a reddit admin was doing looking at a NSFW AI subreddit
I mean, at worst he was spanking it to AI porn.
Just like you.
I got banned for telling left wing trolls to go fuck themselves.
I guess we equaled out lol
Reddit got me for harassment, agreed on Reddit got really soft
bans should be for illegal activity, overt harassment, targeting someone or something to that nature, getting a little heated shouldn’t resort to a ban
open discussion without the threat of getting banned is the American way
Yeah, with a username like that I can guess it wasn’t just that. It’s likely the blatant anti-semitism you’re broadcasting
username
delete your account, fascist
I once posted a theory that Deckard HAD to be a replicant because of the way genetics actually works (him having a child in 2049 proves it, I mean).
A mod called my comment a “Luke warm take for piss brains” and removed it, so I told him to go fuck himself. Banned, not just from the sub, but from all of reddit.
I got banned for suggesting an obnoxious political troll who ruined every holiday might just need a punch in the mouth to correct his behavior.
Reddit is a lost cause.
Sadly yeah
I still use it as a read-only debugging tool through search engines. It’s great for finding a way to open up your 2009 dell laptop and replacing the WiFi antenna
Got banned for harassing mods because I was asking why I got banned automatically for participating in a different subreddit. As soon as I sent my second request asking why I was banned, I got permabanned.
I got banned by a bot because I went into an antivax subreddit to question them. The fact I posted on a “forbidden” subreddit got me auto banned by about a dozen subreddits, instantly. Then I forgot I was banned by one of them and months later posted with another account and got permabanned for ban evasion.
Fuck reddit, petty tyrants.
Me too, they are far too quick to bring out the perma ban. My 10 year old account went from a minor subreddit ban (for asking why a mod banned someone else) to global perma ban within 12 hours. In fairness I reported the mod and said he’s a neckbeard but that shit isn’t worth of global perma lol.
Overall, I think this is good news for lemmys future tbh
OMG me too!!! What the fuck!!!
I’m in the process of deleting my posts in a few accounts in preparation to delete them.
Reddit isn’t the same place it was when I first signed up. On so many levels it proceeded to get worse year after year. Shitty mods, paid political bot brigading to drown out discussion, general discourse devolution, innovation decline of generally loved features are some of my biggest complaints of that platform.
Don’t get me wrong reddit was always a bit of anarchy, but the best comments somehow managed to rise up. Not so much anymore. Maybe I’m just getting old and some of the comment contents don’t interest me in the same way it used to.
I don’t mind being part of this community even though some of the sub’s have less activity. The activity seems to be of a better quality for the most part imho.
For me I don’t miss reddit at all.
Start your niche community on lemmy then advertise it in some other groups. You might be surprised how much better it is here.
They literally banned me for “abusing the report feature” like I’m sorry are you asking me NOT to report heinous bigotry?? Fuck reddit and fuck spez
Really damn
I still have a bunch of accounts but it’s actually not a friendly site to use. I remember telling friends about it back in the day and they’d try and use the site, then they’d come back and be like “everyone on that site is an asshole.” I’d explain it in some dumb way but it’s basically true in essence. I even modded some default subs like 10 years ago and it was the first time I started hating the site.
Even hobby subs had these issues. Like the top post in r/synthesizers would be about some youtube personality and people debating about drama. People who post actual music and productive things don’t get upvoted. Saying you liked the “wrong” people got you made fun of. Super trend/hype based as well. I posted asking for advice for a product to buy once, and was heavily discouraged from getting what I thought was the right thing, I got it anyway, and now it’s basically a meme as the top recommended product for that purpose on that sub.
Basically moved to forums and discord servers for a lot of interests and it’s so much better than reddit. Early 2010s was the golden age for the site back when there’d be those reddit meetups and stuff.
The easiest way to lose interest in a new found hobby is look at it’s subreddit.
I get the feels dude
I found it took about 3 months to get bored with a subreddit. That was about how long it took to see the same postings and comments cycling over and over.
r/fuckyouinparticular did their ban some random person for 3 days to me even though I don’t even use my reddit account anymore and just let it sit there taking space on reddots servers
r/oddlyspecific
Can’t you simply register an account on old.reddit without using email (they ask but you leave it empty) and after changing your IP with your VPN?
Doubt they’ve fixed that yet.
Not that there’s any point. If you’re not interacting with bots or copy-pasted comments, you’re interacting with morons and people who think internet points matter.
You described reddit really well, it’s a question of niche communities like I said
Maybe they wouldn’t have problem with ban evasion if they weren’t giving out bans the drop of a hat
Everything is being automated. The Admins are automated. The mods are increasingly automated. The subs are filled with botspam. The comments (have always been, but are now overwhelmingly) filled with bot-chatter.
The end goal of Reddit is to automate away anything that might cut into the company’s bottom line. I’m convinced they’re going to functionally do away with the comments section sooner or later. Just set up a byzantine set of bureaucratic hurdles that no human can actually clear. Then all that’s left is the bots, and all you are allowed to do is look through the glass at the simulation.
That’s not exclusive to Reddit.
Looks at 196 here on Lemmy and their massive pissy baby ban list.
Edit: If you disagree, go look at the bans and their reasoning in the mod log. It’s insane, and I mean that word in the literal sense. Some fun things: they ban people for not agreeing with them vocally enough. They’ve banned people for arguing that the world isn’t beyond saving if we try. They’ve banned because (and I quote) “Get out of here with that my children matter shit”. It’s a lunatic brigade run by a clown.
196?
196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
They are something else. Think like TheDonald was on Reddit, but for trans people and memes.
My first exposure to them was a thread by a mod saying that you MUST post absolute and unconditional not just approval, but promotion of what they say politically or you will be banned. It was fucking wild and nearly put me off Lemmy altogether.
You spent like a whole day arguing about what centrism is and calling everyone disagreeing with you stupid. That’s why you got banned from 196. You know all that is public, right?
I spent about an hour and kept getting reply notifications, just like the one I got now for this (now over a month old) post. I reply. I like to interact. It’s not arguing, it was legitimate discussion, and yes, I was discussing how people like to strawman others. To my mind, it was civil.
The message I got from the mod was - nearly word for word - “get the fuck out of here with that my children matter bullshit.”
I did not misrepresent the situation.
As an addendum, the thread were I was banned was not my first exposure to them. You may be conflating two interactions.
