Highlights: The White House issued draft rules today that would require federal agencies to evaluate and constantly monitor algorithms used in health care, law enforcement, and housing for potential discrimination or other harmful effects on human rights.

Once in effect, the rules could force changes in US government activity dependent on AI, such as the FBI’s use of face recognition technology, which has been criticized for not taking steps called for by Congress to protect civil liberties. The new rules would require government agencies to assess existing algorithms by August 2024 and stop using any that don’t comply.

  • Cris@lemmy.world
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    I mean that broadly seems like a good thing. Execution is important, but on paper this seems like the kind of forward thinking policy we need

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      They know, the DNC wanted single payer initially and compromised and they’ve been the party with a single payer platform ever since.

      If the DNC at any point had the house and 2/3rds of the Senate then we would have Single Payer Health Care right now. We don’t because they can’t.

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    I swear to god there has to be an entire chapter in Gödel Escher Bach about how this is literally impossible.

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      You’re never going to be able to formally prove anything as nebulous as “harm” full stop, so this isn’t a very convincing argument imo.

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        Extremes hate everything, so it doesn’t really matter what they think.

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          Extreme leftists share the equivalent brain power as Trump supporters

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            Hey extreme lefty here, I just want healthcare, cheap housing, and to be left the fuck alone. Sure killing a few billionares and sending prosperity preachers to the coldest pit of Hel would be fun and all but I just want to do my own thing and not have to deal with rich cunts trying to exploit my labor. Is that too much to ask?

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              I don’t think that’s extreme lefty. Extreme would be those people wanting to replace capitalism, make everything government controlled, and be just as authoritarian and anti-democratic as the right already are.

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                I also wish to replace capitalism, with a mix of co-ops and syndicats. Maybe with some carved out exceptions for bussinesses that require say seasonal workers but dont reuire many workers for most of the year.

                I also want to burn down prosperity churches and commit the blood eagle on billionaires. I am an extremist, I just happen to be pragmatic and realistic enough to know what I can realistically get. Tankies are just fascists with a red coat of paint.

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          A lot of my leftist friends will still let the bad be the enemy of any sort of good whatsoever it seems. It’s exhausting as a leftist when you can never be outraged enough for other leftists.

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            This i can sympathize with. I do not reach the violently inappropriate level of outrage cultivated and appreciated in this country.

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        Sleepy Joe is just a manufactured slur by a demented idiot supported only by second-long video clips of Biden between going to meetings and making changes.

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    Interesting. I want algorithms to warn us about potential harms by Joe Biden. What if we were able to fund an AI run by the GAO that can tell us when government decisions make the majority of our lives worse?

    It’s a long way off and might be a bad idea to trust an AI outright, but I just wish we had a more data informed government.

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      You might be interested in data.gov. The Obama admin kicked of the Government Open Data Initiative to provide transparency in government. Agencies have been given a means to publish their data, which US taxes pay for. You’d be surprised what’s in there. It’s not an algorithm, but you could certainly build one from that if you wanted to.

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    As long as he doesn’t start getting in the way of open source algorithms were fine.

    Delay llama 3 and I’m voting for whoever runs against Biden.

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      Pretty dumb dawg. The people running against him want christofascism. Not becoming the Christian version of Iran is my single issue.

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          I sure hope you are a strawman account because you are an idiot if this is who you are.

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            The idiot is the person who votes based on other people’s priorities.

            If you want to believe garbage about some impending Christian fascist state you’re more than welcome to, but reality is quite a bit more mundane.

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                  Aint doomer, just a very big follower of hope for the best prepare for the worst. Has kept my kin and ancestor alive in the past will do the same in the future. But then again I aint the retard who’s more worried about useless tech junk that’ll probably have minimum effect on society as whole.

                  I probably wont convince ya of jack and or shit, but what I can do is point out that not looking out for other folks usually ends badly for people. A shunned man is a deadman.

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            The thing that has the most direct and pressing impact on my life right now. A ban on open source AI would be like a ban on watching television.

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              I must guess you cannot get pregnant, aren’t a minority, as well as are wealthy. Otherwise I cannot see how this can ever be true.

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                That second one doesn’t matter when it comes to abortion because guys also have wives and girlfriends who can get pregnant and it’s pretty important they can abort when they do. Acting like abortion isn’t something that impacts men as well is nothing just isn’t the truth.

                And I’m not really wealthy, but I live a pretty slimmed down lifestyle with very few expenses such the money is not a direct concern.

                When there are no pressing issues for me to vote for those things become stuff I would vote along the lines of, and I side with a Democrats on all of them.

                But I’m not some idiot who’s going to vote for the sake of other people, I vote for issues that matter to me and nothing else.

                Don’t fuck with AI (and continue funding Ukraine) and I’ll be on their side. Simple as that.

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                  Why not vote for the sake of other people when their lives, health, and safety are on the line?

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      I don’t think you have anything to worry about. All this requires is that any models used by the government are tested for bias. Which is a good thing.

      Go ask an early generation ai image generator to make pictures of people cleaning and it will give you a bunch of pictures of women. There are all sorts of examples of racial, sex, and religious biases in the models because of the data they were trained on.

      Requiring the executive agencies to test for bias is a good thing.

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      This will entrench big tech in federal government, but I’m not too worried about limits on the government.

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        Yeah, the only concern I have so far is the leverage of the defense powers act to require foundational model development to sent red team results to the Fed. That’s a hint that will enable them to ban release of models in the future.

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    Joe Biden probably has no idea what most of those words mean, let’s be honest here. He’s only the president because the only other option we were given was worse.

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      I don’t want somebody that knows and understands everything. I want somebody that surround themselves with people that collectively know and understand, and can then explain it to him like he’s an octogenarian.

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        Exactly. The best president is the one who consults with others on essentially everything. Even if they are an expert in an area, Still get second opinions. Obviously that is time permitting, They still need to be knowledgeable enough to react quickly when necessary.

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Trump’s policy to always be the smartest person in the room? That would explain some things…

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      So what? The biggest part of picking a President is the people they’re going to put in their cabinet and surround themselves with. That’s the problem with Trump. He’s going to fill the presidency with a bunch of maga ass hats, on top of doing his own damage.

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      Just because some of us understand this issue better than him it doesn’t mean that we should expect him to understand everything at the same level as if he worked in the area… it’s impossible he can’t be an expert economist, computer scientist, anthropologist, chemist, biologist, etc… rolled into one.

      For the record I don’t think he is a great president.

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        You cannot judge how great a President was until long after they are out of office. Good things usually take time. Bad things can be immediate.

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          Yea. But he doesn’t seem to have a vision. I don’t think corruption is great and bidenomics is just bullshit. I am not saying he is the worst ever just that it’s not very good.

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            I’m not sure what you’re looking for with a “vision.” Sounds like something a populist does and fails at. Biden has to fix all the shit Trump and the Republicans ruined and he won’t likely have time for a lot else. If he can get control of Congress next year by a good margin it’ll help.

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              To give you an example he might claim to want to curb the corruption by changing and limiting donations to political candidates/organizations. The populist vapid version of this would be something vague but catchy like “drain the swamp” that can mean anything.

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                  Ok if you could not understand that was an example I think Im good with my current opinion.

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      He’s only the president because the only other option we were given was worse.

      Not if you ask the freaks in /r/neoliberal. They think he’s the best president ever and that his only problem is a bad PR team lmao

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        He’s absolutely fine, and the vast majority of complaints I’ve seen fundamentally misunderstand the limits of the Presidency and why an experienced politician has rightful reasons to be cautious about the consequences of radical actions. Populists love to fill your head up with great ideas, but gloss over or ignore the consequences. Some end up lying about it others aren’t effective. Experienced politicians aren’t flashy but get things done step by step.

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          He’s absolutely fine if you don’t care about unconditional support for a genocidal apartheid state or the right to strike. Those are both cases where doing literally nothing would have been better than what he personally did.

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            Gaza–Israel is a hugely complicated situation. Let Hamas get away with it and you show their backers that they can get away with attacks like these. The Biden administration works behind the scenes more than out in public. We won’t know what they are saying to the Israelis. It’s a proxy war with no good solution. What are you referring to specifically?

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        I’m only “wrong” because others are reading something other than what I said. I’m gratified that at least one person understood though.

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          No, people are responding to what you said. Maybe what you wrote doesn’t impart your meaning as well as you thought it does.