I have kids that I raise, they are great kids, I love them to death but if someone thinks kids aren’t a burden (of any sort) than they’re lying.

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      Trust me, there are people who think it’s a sin to use the word “burden” when speaking of kids. They are insane IMO

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          I actually did expect this much “positivity” to my post lol. I guess I’ve spent too much time in a Precious Moments figurine store.

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        There’s so much stigma around this sort of thing. It’s getting better, but the mindset that children are a gift and parents should be constantly grateful for that gift is still very prevalent.

        The reality is that whilst children are absolutely incredible, life affirming and all that good stuff…an awful lot of being a parent is frankly, horrible.

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        In the history of the world, probably only baby boomers and maybe some of X thought this. Any time else in history, kids are there only due to the desire to fuck. Hell, the Romans drove a plant extinct with their need for birth control.

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          I imagine any time in history where a family needed loads of kids for labor probably was like “they aren’t a burden when they are free labor” lol

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          Until they barf in your mouth or piss all over you while changing a diaper lol.

          I blame the Hallmark channel.

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      I kinda wish it would expand on the fact that for some people, the constant care and all that is not for them, and doesn’t make it “a good deal” Other than that it’s a great summary, coming from someone that doesn’t want any.

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    Anyone who does NOT think kids are a burden either doesn’t have kids or doesn’t give a sh*t about raising them right. If you are an actually responsible adult and parent, and you intend to give your kids all the attention, care and love they demand and deserve, then it WILL be taxing. It WILL eat up your time and energy for years to come. You WILL have sleepless nights, and unexpected challenges. You WILL be exhausted, frustrated and defeated at times.

    The difference is that good parents feel like that tradeoff is worth it. That your beloved family / children matter most, even tho they are a burden. This isn’t an “either/or” situation where struggling automatically means that you can’t be happy about the struggle. Children can be the light of your life AND the most annoying thing in the universe at the same time, and a good parent will still love them whatever happens.

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    Literally standing in my kitchen right now reading this at 645am, awake since 4 because my sick 2 year old has been crying and screaming non stop, my wife in bed upstairs with our 2 day old new born, and I’m covered in peanut butter trying to make a nutritious lunch for my 5 year old for school. I have to wake her up soon to get her started. Make eggs for breakfast.

    Her booster seat isn’t fitting in the middle seat between my sons car seat and infant newborn car seat. So I have to fix that before we leave. My son is most likely drawing on the walls in the entertainment room.

    And before 9 I need to feed the chickens and relieve my wife from her sleepless night with a newborn.

    Burden is an understatement. Having a sore back is a burden. Having kids is a dynamic lifestyle change. And while sometimes I imagine not having kids and how amazing it would be to be free from that lifestyle, it always comes to the same conclusion: I wouldn’t exchange my family life for anything. My children are me and I wouldn’t remove them as much as I wouldn’t remove my back because it was sore.

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      First of all, keep up the good work, it sounds like you’re an awesome dad and husband my man. I never wanted kids but I now have 6, some of them put me through some shit but I wouldn’t trade any of it for a child-free life.

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          A crazy amount of things, dem ass and titties, a partner you think you’d be together with forever, a partner that didn’t believe in abortions, having one kid and thinking it wasn’t so bad, lying to myself that it’d be no more than 2, did I mention dem ass and titties? Those can be so persuasive when the little guy is doing the thinking.

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            Hah! Nice and easy to understand answer. Welp, you’ll have amazing family holidays when your kids have kids, and you’ll have no shortage of people who can help you when you get old. I only had one kid and sometimes I regret it. I always imagined I’d have a lot of little kids to mentor when I hit middle age, but there are none. It’s odd. I mean I enjoy the freedom, but there’s definitely a different type of cost.

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              There is just so much more to it but the reality is I did have a bunch of kids with the same woman and I didn’t want to be a shit parent like mine were so now I can’t see my life without them and it is worth it. As for what the future holds for them as adults and me as being an old man is still waiting to be seen but I wouldn’t turn away that life you described.

              There are lots of people who are 40+ regretting not having kids and wanting their own now but it’s just getting tougher. There is always kids in need of good mentors so check out things like Big Brother, Big Sisters or maybe coaching if you’re into sports.

              I have 6 kids but I still think about fostering kids since I can’t adopt (they don’t like single parents).

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                I actually have been thinking about fostering or adopting! It’s an enormous commitment though, so it has only been a vague thought so far. My wife and I were talking about having a kid in 2019 and then 2020 happened and we decided we don’t want to bring a new life into this world. But I wouldn’t be entirely opposed to helping an existing life have a better one.

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                I know far more people who have children who regret than those who don’t have kids and regret it.

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      Entitled parent: “I raised you, you owe me!!!”

      Child: “you made a decision to bring me in to the world, I had no say in this at all”

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      Sounds like you just don’t know as many different types of people as you think you do. There are plenty of people who drone on endlessly about how children are nothing but a blessing, how perfect parenthood is, and a bunch of other lies that they may or may not actually believe.

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      Than you don’t know my ex who almost popped a vein when I said “the burden of the kids is on my shoulders” and she started making like it was blasphemous to think or say that about kids.

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    If I don’t put gas in my car it won’t move. Fueling my car is a burden, but generally I think it is worth it.

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    Idk how unpopular this is. Everyone I’ve ever talked to said that children are a burden. Of course they are. It’s hard work to grow plant, lol, and these are whole people. The acronym DINK exists for a reason. That said, it’s a worthwhile burden. I love being a parent.

    Who have you met that said raising kids isn’t a burden?

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      They exists, they are the people who wants kids and can’t have them, the people who think kids can do no wrong, and then there’s my ex-wife who actually is burden by our kids when she has them but doesn’t want to say they are a burden because it would make her look bad lol

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    I went to a Nerd Night where a positive psychologist shared about PERMA, a break down of the pillars of being happy: Positive Emotion, Engagement, Relationships, Meaning, and Accomplishment.

    Her take on kids (based on her research) was that P,E,R, and A definitely take a hit, but parents consistently had the highest happines when it came to Meaning in their life. Overall advice on the question of “Do kids make you more happy than no kids?” was “It really depends on the person.”

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    Yup.

    I’ve got two (5,1). I absolutely adore them both, but I’d be lying if I said that having kids hasn’t made my life significantly harder, my mental health significantly worse and my sense of self significantly weaker.

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      One thing I can say is enjoy it while it lasts LOL!

      When they get older you miss those days when they were small and easy to understand. Those teenage years, hell.

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        I guess at the very least I get to enjoy their excited faces when I get home from work. Can’t imagine you get much of that when they pass you on the way to their bedroom later on?

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          You are correct, although in my case with my older kids they like to hide that they’re happy when I get home lol

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    I’m convinced that having kids causes a brain chemistry change that makes parents willing to deal with their children. Otherwise, the majority of people would never have kids or abandon them shortly after birth.

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      My mom says babies are cute because otherwise more would end up in dumpsters.

      She also told me she didn’t like kids. I asked her why she had so many, then? “Well, I like you all NOW, I knew you would grow up.”

      Which, while sort of a mean thing for her to say, I think does make sense - people always say they don’t want kids, understandable, but kids are just young humans, you were a kid too. You aren’t having kids, you are growing people. Adults.