The idea that the Palestinian people have only been able to persist because of their religion is ridiculous to me. They are resisting because colonialism, apartheid and genocide are very bad things to which nobody would want to be subjected, not because of Islam. If Palestinians were atheists, is he suggesting that they wouldn’t have the strength or the will to resist? Would their lack of a belief in the supernatural turn them into doormats for Isn’treal?
I like Hakim’s content, but his position on religion is quite frustrating. He is a Muslim first and a Marxist second. Also, Joram van Klaveren is still a right-winger.
A few comments from the original Hexbear thread come to mind
“guy named Hakim from Iraq is Muslim, white people are shocked and appalled”
In speaking about religion in HAMAS and other resistance groups. “I for one am shocked that members of the Islamic Resistance Movement find value in an Islamic text.”
Like seriously? We have people in this thread bringing into question The Deprogram crew for… having a member be religious? Also because they interviewed people that aren’t explicitly MLs? These guys that have done more to bring communist theory to more people than this entire instance. Lol stop acting like fucking ultras or whatever. I mean really? You all need to get a grip. Furthermore, expecting them to BE infallible while also complaining they act like the ARE infallible and the attacking them for that too? Please. Coming off like a bunch of wreckers. These guys have never claimed or acted like they are the gods of communism. They get on, discuss what they know, and give their opinions. Those opinions can be not always on point,and not always what you want to hear. It’s your own deal if you expect them to be perfect then get pissed when they aren’t.
A man can be both religious and a communist. He can also have a disagreeable point while having good intentions. And most importantly he can have flaws and still be an extremely important and beneficial person to the cause. The man is religious. He shares this religion with most of the people currently undergoing a fucking genocide. He probably feels more empathy towards them then most westerners do to their fucking next door neighbors. My heart burns for the Palestinians, I can only imagine how he must be feeling. Man probably understands the Palestinian culture and religions better than any of you. But please, tell me how you all, as non Muslims, probably white ass westerners, know so much better. I for one, am a white as westerner. Yet I am capable of at least understanding where he is coming from, even maybe disagreeing with him, without also attacking him as rabidly, and disgustingly, as some of you all have.
Honestly, after reading some of the gross over reactions and ridiculous attacks from this thread, I am legitimately ashamed of some of you. Like legitimately. Ashamed. Downvote me and attack me for saying so if it makes you feel better. That’s fine. After some of the absurdity I have seen here I’ll be happy to add some blocks to my list.
People: want to learn more about Islam, ask for more reading materials on this topic.
Hakim: shares them, indicating that’s what he personally read, with some source criticism.
People: refuse to read them and treat a youtube comment to be a Marxist analysis ripe for critique.
And to those who took issue with him being an “educator” and thus shouldn’t do this: He’s a minor e-celeb who makes videos, he’s still a real person with his own worldview, just like the rest of us. He’s not saying this is how Marxists should think, he’s just sharing some books to better understand the context from his own point of view.
Yeah it’s definitely disappointing.
The irony in some of these comments castigating him for supposedly not being marxist, and doing so by applying the most dogmatic, context-free invective.
Also religious belief can 100% motivate socialist beliefs. Take as two examples John Brown and Tony Benn
Existing forms of community, such as religious groups, also lend themselves well to socialism. Religious dogma is idealistic, but it feels reductive to ignore the motivation of belonging to and supporting a community when analyzing whether Marxism and religious beliefs are compatible.
There’s evidence to support their compatibility as well as the damage religious groups can have on socialist causes. At the end of the day, I say more comrades is better.
My thinking is this look at Catholicism, they adapted to Roman patronism, they adapted to feudalism, they adapted to capitalism, they’ll adapt again with a new economic system
liberation theology could be to communism what calvinism was to capitalism