I’m joking with the meme, but it’s an interesting how plot armor unintentionally places value on people’s lives in fiction.

It’s telling that censorship laws decide who it is and isn’t acceptable to kill. Just thinking about violence against sentient robots and how that’s normalized in things like Samurai Jack.

Like we know the robot has thoughts and feelings, like they’ll try to run to save themselves or plead for mercy, but a character can still heroic after essentially killing a non-human who’s acting like how we understand humans.

I feel like there’s something dangerous in how easily we can depict appropriate targets of violence. Not just robots, but anybody deemed as less than human are allowed to be more put at risk.

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Unnamed people are killed in superhero fights all the time. But unless they are of a class of characters like protagonists, they are collateral damage at best.

I think Plot Armor as a trope needs more class consciousness and awareness around how deciding who gets to be protected is often an unconscious political belief.

What about you though? Any tropes in media you’d like to see explored more or written with a leftist understanding?

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    What’s really problematic is when they just have race wars in there, as a thing, and it’s not examined at all. For all the things BG3 does well, it treats the goblins as completely disposable even within the narrative itself. There’s deep gnome characters who live on the surface in Baldur’s Gate, but every single goblin is a football hooligan that eats people and can’t read. All they’re good for is being slaughtered by the PC or slaughtering all the Tieflings at the grove.

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      but every single goblin is a football hooligan that eats people and can’t read. All they’re good for is being slaughtered by the PC or slaughtering all the Tieflings at the grove.

      Before I knew what The Absolute was, the goblin woman in the cage had my sympathy and I sincerely wanted to find out what she was talking about and set her free because leaving her in there to be inevitably killed just seemed pointlessly cruel.

      I’m not saying The Absolute had to be some wholesome goblin leftist revolutionary front that would overthrow the rich assholes of Waterdeep or something, but the single note “these are ugly bad people that do bad things” messaging was really, really lazy.

      Pathfinder goblins have a lot more nuance even while still being generally unruly and seen in an ungenerous light.

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          The game was generally good but the setting presented still has some pretty sus takes and messaging.

          I never run “official” campaign settings and never have because I’ve always found Forgotten Realms pretty sus and sort of designed around some shitty old ideology with a lot of inertia and status quo maintenance mechanisms built right in.

          I’ve even moved on to Pathfinder for that reason. Fuck WOTC and its every few years attempts to force worse licensing agreements on everyone else.

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        What’s worse is that if you do free Sazza and bring her to Minthara, she immediately betrays you and encourages Minthara to kill you instead of rewarding you for freeing her and letting her report where the Grove is, and she gets fed to the spiders.

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          Because goblins born evil according to Gygax all the way back in the 70s and pretty much every representative in the modern game reinforces that but at least every single party member may be bisexually horny for you so progress I guess. capitalist-woke

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      What’s really problematic is when they just have race wars in there

      yeah, like making a completely new culture that’s unrecognizable from it’s inspirations is fucking hard, i’m sympathetic to taking liberties and making a country ‘magic italians’ or something. but your fantasy cultures should never be doing a fucking race war unless its industrialized, colonial and the story is all about examining that.

      medieval and ancient people didn’t do race war, they didn’t have the ideological bases to even imagine it

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        Medieval group atrocities were usually religion-based. The Protestant movement motivated a lot of bloodshed, and medieval Christians were real big on Jewish pogroms for damn near anything that might happen. Plague? Famine? Bandit raid? Blame the Jews, have a pogrom. Hell, they did it for recreation sometimes.

        To that end I’m kinda using that approach in my own stuff (spoilers for autistic infodumping about my writing that I’m procrastinating on)

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        In the setting I’m writing, a theocratic nation led a genocide of the orcs and goblins after ancient elven magitek industrialization allowed religious political power to fester into religiously-grounded protofascism, and the theocratic leaders were upset with how the nomadic tribes of orcs were interfering with their land grab and also selling their mercenary services to other nations, and of course settled insular goblin communities had worked hard to carve a niche for themselves and monopolize certain specialized trades that industrial barons were keen to take control of so they had to go. Heretics, all of them, offensive to the sight of the human-coded pantheon. After war and famine and magical disasters ravaged a lot of the other populations as well, the remaining orcs and goblins, absolutely mad with lust for revenge, were instrumental in the big multiracial peasant revolution that killed all the nobles and priests that were left and started managing the multiple simultaneous apocalyptic crises unleashed upon the continent.

        Also two of the crew of the airship I’m setting it on are from Not-France and speak Not-French and Not-France is the center of remaining Not-Europe culture because they were relatively unscathed by the never-ending lightning storms and time ruptures and roving self-perpetuating undead hordes so they still got their universities and theaters and salons and whatnot, so yeah just slapping some aesthetics on there to get the job done is fine in small doses but it’s no fucking excuse for not examining everything and making sure it all fits together and feels true and isn’t some fucked up bullshit that inadvertently says some heinous shit

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          thing with religious wars is they can very quickly find a modus vivendi in the right circumstances, or at the very least a conversion is an immediate reprieve for the victims—which like isn’t ideal and arguably cultural genocide but it’s a ways from racial extermination.

          Protestants were part and parcel to the development of racism though, because the reformation was a time when skepticism of conversion became culturally endemic instead of the private purview of inquisitorial staff. the way the hatred & suspicion of catholics was transposed into racism against irish people was through the “cryptocatholic” panics of early anglicanism, which supplied an excuse to dispossess even the converted irish. come to think of it that would be a cool place for fiction to explore ‘racism doesn’t quite exist yet, but we’re working on it’

          meow-popcorn your setting sounds cool

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            Thanks for the compliment blushing-engels

            Yeah, I’m still working out the details of this and that. What I really need to focus on is finish the story I’ve been working on since the start of this year. I keep telling people about it instead of writing it.