This doesn’t make any sense to me. I know they aren’t Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We’re trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?
This doesn’t make any sense to me. I know they aren’t Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We’re trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?
so, we don’t really view Ukraine’s government as good for the people you know? To us, does it really matter if it’s western, Ukrainian, or Russian oligarchs controlling the workers’ of Ukraine resources? The absolute best scenario, for us, would be worker revolutions taking over Ukraine and Russia during this war, but that is literal fantasy. So, we have to play geopolitics here.
China is our biggest hope for dethroning the US as the hegemon. In fact, barring something absolutely terrible like Russia becoming an actual US puppet regime or nuclear holocaust, it seems inevitable that China will accomplish this. So, for us, Russia losing the war and either starting ww3 with nukes or losing and turning into another place that will allow another gazillion US military bases is the absolute worst result.
It’s fucking horrible, the loss of lives in this war. But since it’s happening, we have to pick a side. And picking Ukraine is picking the side of US imperialism.
I’m not the best at explaining all this stuff, but I swear we aren’t bloodthirsty Putin fans, those are lies told about us.
(if we are to assume that we dont get full Posadism)
The USA and EU are domestically destroying their own economies with this war. This silly war undermines NATO’s ability to oppose China. Asking countries to sanction Russia when they produce alot of grain and oil for African nations makes joining the Chinese belt and road initiative more appealing. This creates opportunities of alternatives to the IMF which gives imperial periphery nations the opportunity to have their governments control industries for the domestic population, not the foreign corporations. The contradictions of capitalism create the seeds of socialism. I personally believe that socialism is best promoted domestically and not imposed on by a foreigner.
The diplomatic demands from the collective west are making china seem like a more reliable partner. China did denounce the invasion (as they should).
This invasion has the interesting effect of weakening the soft and hard power of the imperial core and also gives workers in the periphery opportunities to industrialize in socialist terms not strangled by the IMF or world bank. The BRICS alternative is looking more likely. Saudia Arabia and Iran working together with china is part of this advancement.
If Ukraine were to be victorious, that would be a disaster for international communism because it would normalize the superstructure of international fascism to seep even further in imperial core countries. With a Russian victory the Russians may have no trouble controlling the eastern Ukraine, but suffer from political violence in western Ukraine. I suspect that this invasion is a financial loss for Russia even if they finally get the port and oil they wanted. My suspicion is that Russia will fall into the orbit of China.
Neither the current Russian government nor the current Ukrainian government are particularly great for our LGBT comrades, but I don’t understand how siding with Nazis helps them in any manner.
Sorry for going off on the international implications of the war, but here is a video about Ukraine specifically from a Marxist perspective:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g9rHjlOtH2A
Russia and China only have good things to look forward to. If a Nuclear war were to start, I suspect the USA to start it.
gahh another huge ass post that scares me as im browsing!!! damn socialists with their wall of texts (/hj I love the info).
Appreciate this, I asked for more detailed/educated analysis like this :)
I see your point and accept the way you rationalize it, don’t agree on the prediction in terms of Russian defeat though, a weakened Russia would just as likely or more come into the fold of china which I believe you would be quite happy with
I’m not really sure what would be preferable, as far as a more independent from China yet stronger Russia, or a weaker Russia more dependent on China, I would need a more educated person to chime in… Not really sure the likelihood of US friendly coup vs weaker China friendly Russia.
However, I do think it wouldn’t be worth the risk of nuclear holocaust. I would really rather not test whether or not they’re being serious about using nukes
I can see how the risk of nuclear weapons being used might shift ones perspective on would be a preferably outcome, personally I don’t want my opinions held hostage by the possibility nuclear war
at a certain point, it’s not desire, you know? I have to analyze reality as I see it in front of me. I don’t trust the oligarchs of Russia, like Putin, to show nearly as much restraint as the USSR did when it comes to using nukes