I would like to address the doomers.

Just stop. All you are accomplished is dissuading people from trying. Even if we fail, some of us would rather go out feeling good about ourselves knowing that we actually tried. If we succeed, I want to be on the right side of history. If you want to drive a canyonero through a drive through to buy a double cheeseburger on your way to the airport to fly somewhere for a shopping trip: please keep it to yourself.

  • There is still hope
  • Most people want action. I can cite more than one source.
  • Things are starting to turn around. Not as fast as we need to, but we are seeing change
  • Some of us are parents and have a reason to fight with all we have
  • If things get bad, our kids will actually want to have a relationship with us if we cared enough to try
  • Many things that help are economically better on the micro and macro scales

Doomers are the fossil fuel industry’s best friend-- even more than the deniers are. If enough people succumb to it, they don’t even have to pay lip service to the problem. Doomerism means you can continue to pollute and not even try.

  • Fecundpossum@lemmy.worldEnglish
    223·
    1 year ago

    As a doomer, I make it a point to not bother the hopeful with my doom. Why argue? Why bring people down. Yeah, okay, I see something that they don’t, but forcibly informing them of it doesn’t do jack shit for them or me.

    I still try to recycle and live fairly low impact. My greatest achievement on that end is not reproducing. We can fully believe mankind is completely and utterly fucked and still choose to be decent human beings.

    So, OP, I’m sorry about the ones that see it necessary to run their mouths. It would be better if we kept our doom to ourselves.

    • MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
      131·
      1 year ago

      “It would be better if some of the more vocal among us kept their doom to themselves”

      There, I fixed it for you. You? We need more like you speaking up. Self-awareness and nuance is both more convincing, or at least more sincere and relatable than so much that’s out in the wild.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      104·
      1 year ago

      Nah.

      Pretending things aren’t completely fucked hasn’t worked for the last 50 years, it’s not going to start now.

      Besides, I don’t think there’s ever been a case where someone starts a slap fight online, than makes a new post talking about how dumb an opinion is when the other person gives up explaining.

      People that do that shit aren’t usually the ones to be listening to about anything.

      If someone says the climate is fucked and there’s zero signs the people in power will do anything, they’re not a “doomer” they’re accepting reality. And it doesn’t mean they’ve given up either. Just that they’re not blind and mindless

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        113·
        1 year ago

        If someone says the climate is fucked and there’s zero signs the people in power will do anything, they’re not a “doomer” they’re accepting reality.

        This is the problem, though. This is hyperbole. “Zero signs?” Citation needed. It is not self-evident, and using your experiences as evidence is just confirmation bias.

        And that was OP’s point. You might see it as a forgone conclusion, but that’s not necessarily objective reality.

        • qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee
          62·
          1 year ago

          Not zero,but so far below what is neededthat ‘doomer’ is a ridiculous characterisation of ‘realist’. Anyone who thinks we’re dealing with the problem is delusional.

          • Telorand@reddthat.com
            54·
            1 year ago

            You’re confusing cynic with realist. The realists are the climate scientists, who have yet to say humanity is doomed.

            • qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee
              11·
              1 year ago

              Oh hanity will live on. We’re a pretty adaptable species, but not as numerous or as comfortable.

              • Telorand@reddthat.com
                3·
                1 year ago

                Or, we could try our best to prevent it on the chance that billions of people don’t have to die.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          1 year ago

          This is the problem, though. This is hyperbole. “Zero signs?” Citation needed

          That’s not how logic works…

          I can say there’s zero signs God exist, and a religious person will demand proof and start doing victory laps.

          I can’t prove that there’s nothing they’re doing, just like I can’t prove Bigfoot isn’t alive somewhere.

          However, if you knew where bigfoot was, you could prove it.

          So, if you think the people running governments are actually doing enough to stop the centuries long destruction of our environment, you could do that. But it’s not happening, so it’s not. At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven’t been right once.

          I mean, how would I even provide what you’re asking for? It can’t be as easy as pointing to all the records that show it hasn’t started getting better yet…

          • neanderthal@lemmy.worldOP
            52·
            1 year ago

            Except there is evidence sort the chart by percentage.

            In the US, we passed the IRA.

            EV and e bikes are making rapid gains regarding phasing out ICE vehicles.

            Go to the lawnmower (I know, lawns suck) section of a big box hardware store and notice the large selection of electric mowers and trimmers.

            Rooftop solar has exploded in my neighborhood.

            Content about car dependent design sucking has grown drastically in popularity the past few years.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
              34·
              1 year ago

              I don’t know what you think that chart proves, but it’s not that climate change is slowing…

              And you’re completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries…

              Like, you literally did the only thing I could be done, after I explained how that wouldn’t be proof:

              At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven’t been right once.

              You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re optimistic, I’ll give you that.

              Won’t do you any good. But feel free to ignore reality while you sit back and claim everything is fine.

              • neanderthal@lemmy.worldOP
                52·
                1 year ago

                It proves that work is being done by showing how many places have transitioned almost entirely to renewables for power generation. You said show evidence that governments are doing something, I provided.

                Things aren’t fine, but succumbing to doomerism guarantees the worst case outcome. The more people continue to try, the less bad things get.