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They’re not tech people, they’re theater people. And they’re easily wowed by the big new fancy-smancy tech that is “cutting edge”
We’ve seen this before, with George Lucas’ special edition Star Wars and the prequels being full of the finest CGI 1999 could offer. It’ll probably be a decade or two before this stuff is anywhere close to looking decent.
the finest CGI 1999 could offer
Never Forget
Legit looks worse than some AI art from 5 years ago
That scene was good even if the CGI was bad. Or maybe I’m biased because I read the novelization first that included it.
Disagree. The scene was cut from the original version for a good reason - it establishes nothing that wasn’t already covered by the Han-Greedo scene. Putting it in just slows the pace of the film’s first act.
Disagree because it ties into the, by the early 90s, established lore of Han’s time working as a smuggler for Jabba.
The old expanded universe had a lot of lore about Han’s time as a glorified drug dealer.
Yeah but my point is that all of that was already covered in Han’s conversation with Greedo. You don’t need two scenes where he says “you think I had a choice? even I get boarded some times”.
Eh, it adds additional details. A more detailed world is better.
It adds an unnecessary scene to the run time. It was a smart chop.
Please think critically for a second. If in Episode 2 when Obi is arguing with that Droid about the location of a planet, after he left the camera just panned back to the robot who then spent 5 hours rattling of cosmology facts, explaining the precise orbits of a few dozen planets that are never otherwise mentioned, along with their moons, that would be “a more detailed world” and a shitpost of a bad film.
Although still in the original you can see three or four Greedos in the background behind the millennium falcon while they escape.
That scene sucks because Han would not fucking walk over jabbas tail and make him squeak without being iced by other members of the crime syndicate. It would be like some nobody runner pinching sonny and calling him a microdick and then just walking away unscathed.
The amount of money he was in the hole is a damn strong incentive to try and keep him alive tk lay you back eventually.
If I owe you 100 it’s my problems I owe you a 100k it’s your problem type shit.
Counterpoint: When the empire freezes him, they just put him on display and then repeatedly try to kill him when people try to break him out, and all this without basically any complicating of his relationship with Jabba prior. Han should have at least had the shit kicked out of him for what he did, especially since his debt was past due.
That would be an interesting take on it. I’d buy a ticket to that version of the movie.
Edit: I lied. I’d pirate it. Point stands.
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Neither James Camwron or George Lucas are theater people in the slightest. They’re film people and both did works that were incredible technical achievements. Both of these guys are camera and lense and lighting and editing system nerds first and do the theater stuff so they can get a budget to do the technical stuff.
Sorry, I’m adopting a “once a theater kid, always a theater kid” approach.
Neither ever did anything involving theater.
You probably stood in the general direction of a theater once.
Checkmate theater children!
I mean they have eyes. They look at the results and decide they like it. Looking at this, I think it looks worse, but it’s not hugely different and I can easily believe it looking better in motion. (The picture in the body. The post-picture looks better in the version that has multiple colours, can’t tell if that’s new or old, but I doubt the technology chose to make it all blue on its own).
I don’t think the people at the top actually sit down and watch the entire process. They are just told it will make the picture “clearer” or “sharper” or “more up to date” or something, they’re wined and dined and constantly told how “advanced” this stuff is. If they’ve put a lot of money into “updating” something they’ve done, they probably don’t want to admit to themselves that they just wasted millions, they’ll focus on the positives of it, rather than the negatives.
I can’t even tell which side is before and which side is after
In both pictures, the left is before and the right is after.
Weird how it desaturates in the first one but adds saturation in the second one
i have a feeling one of the pictures has it reversed but we can’t tell because we’re looking at screenshots of screenshots
I, too, am a philistine who finds these changes to be, if not imperceptible then inconsequential.
I just thought the second one looked better on the right and the first one looked better on the left
FWIW I was being sincere, about myself anyway; I can’t speak for you.
It might be much more noticable as an actual video, or at the full 4K resolution, but posting these low-resolution still side-by-sides just makes the OP look like a snob.
but posting these low-resolution still side-by-sides just makes the OP look like a snob.
Wait, what? lol
I don’t think you know what the word ‘snob’ means.
a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people.
I.E. someone who rants about one thing being significantly worse than another, but provides examples of the two things that are basically indistinguishable from one another.
Like I said, maybe the actual video supports the point, these shrunken still screenshots do not.
lol
someone who rants about one thing being significantly worse than another, but provides examples of the two things that are basically indistinguishable from one another.
That’s not what a snob is. I just posted links to the pictures so you can see for yourself. It definitely isn’t indistinguishable, especially if you look at Tom Arnold’s face. It’s quite the opposite actually and if calling out weird AI smoothing is being a snob than it seems a large portion of people are.
Short answer
It’s just a movie, not a full TV series or whatever. In absolutely certain the original reels or negatives exist to do a real upscale. For most things I’d rather just keep the original home release quality and leaven it as is, or at least DVD quality for most I should say. Horror movies should be vhs quality as well as certain comedies etc. But if you’re gonna do it, don’t half ass the process. A lot of people worked really fucking hard to make it look how it does and having an AI paint all over it and call it better is crap.
People act like True Lies is a good movie when it’s insufferable. The Terminator is the only good film Cameron ever made. Maybe Aliens on a good day.
excuse me way of water exists
and the abyss
The Abyss fucking sucks, in my personal opinion
damn LMAO i know someone else that hates that movie and i don’t really get why
Look up the abuse he put the cast through.
That has nothing to do with the quality of the movie.
It has a lot to do with why people didn’t like it though.
IMO it’s incredibly mediocre except for the CGI, which is pretty good but not good enough to make me watch the whole boring ass movie just for that.
oh no the movie that literally inspired the “dirka dirka mohammed jihad” “gag” isn’t preserved perfectly noooooooooooo retvrn pls
Yeah, I’m not really a huge fan of this movie, it’s just the two examples that have gotten the most discussion. Cameron has applied this to several of his other films that have been re-released in 4k and it serves as a bad precedent towards how much filmmakers choose to manipulate and change their past works like Lucas did.
Oh, God. Cameron is going down the George Lucas route. Hearing Darth Vader scream, “Nooooo!” as he carried Palpatine and seeing people cry to that killed a part of me.
DO NOT WANT!!!
which one’s which?
cant believe AI turned a swarthy Austrian like Arnold into a white man
The AI one looks so desaturated it looks like a Bourne movie
To be honest, the second picture dosen’t look bad. It had a more modern photography that can hurt the sensibilities of people who remember it with a more hot color temperature, but it also dosen’t looks like a TV movie now.
Link to the first picture: https://nitter.net/metaplexmovies/status/1735735555181223980#m
Link to the second picture: https://nitter.net/RazorwireRyan/status/1735752770295128195#m
LOOK AT THE SHIRT!!
There is literally, literally no possibility that his shirt isn’t constantly warping frame to frame into random shapes. It’s just reinventing the ripped parts, and his skin underneath. Insane!
