lol. Tell that to the autocrat that consolidated all the power.

Change doesn’t happen in that party unless Xi says so. Same with Russia and Putin.

Lol no. Xi has eliminated or purged every individual and has gutted every institution that could serve to oppose his reign that there is no one left who can make policy decisions on a national level.

Xi has also killed the messenger so many times that there is no one left who will bring him accurate information.

Bottom level bureaucrats are reduced to making decisions based on what they think Xi wants. The result has been a string of absolute failures wolf warrior diplomacy, the spy balloon, etc.

The CCP and China are what state failure looks like in its early stages.

It’s like you are being deliberately obtuse. Or maybe you really are just not very bright, I don’t know.

You asked for an example of a third party and I gave you a relatively recent one. Moving the goal posts after my response is just petty.

I also gave you the effects of third parties on American politics. It causes the two main parties to shift their stances or go extinct.

The occupy movements of the early teens didn’t last, nor did it metamorphose into a third party. But it’s effect on politics was felt and galvanized Democrats to oppose austerity.

The lack of a third party doesn’t mean that other views aren’t adopted or incorporated into the two main parties. The lack of a third party is a symptom of our winner take all electoral system.

TLDR: The U.S. does not have a parliamentary system. Don’t expect its political parties to function the same as one.

American society drives the makeup of our parties not the other way around.

The CCP drives the makeup of Chinese society. The Average Chinese person has no voice and no way to influence change besides subtle protest of policy or outright revolution.

Scarcely. You’re concerned to make an irrelevant point about the US when in fact we’re trying to have an intelligent discussion about the CCP.

Nobody cares. Shut the fuck up. There is no lack of venues in which one can appropriately bitch about the US, but this is not one, you whiney little fucker.

You want to change the subject because it’s obvious that you’re uncomfortable with people questioning the CCP’s authoritarian tendencies.

If you were OK with it, you wouldn’t feel the need to trot out your deeply condescending and stupid whataboutism.

Does your comment count as “moving the goalposts” (changing the subject from CCP to USA) or an “Appeal to Emotion” (dead civilians) or a strawman argument (USA ‘sponsors’ collective punishment)? I got a bingo card to fill out.

Last things first, pardon me for holding one of your sources at arms’ length and my nose with the other. They don’t sound impartial or unbiased, especially with their explicitly-stated anti-Western bias. BadEmpanada just looks like a Che wannabe and I’m not sure how much I time I should waste considering what a leftist Aussie living in BA has to say but it’s probably already too much. Buenos Aires is a beautiful city though and if you’ve never been, you should give it a go.

Going back to the top of your comment, which countries support or condemn China for their internment camps means very little to me. Many of the countries in your graphic have abysmally shitty records themselves and/or are belt-and-road clients and/or have other reasons to disagree with the US. Pardon me while I laugh heartily at anyone who takes Russia’s or Venezuela’s or Saudi Arabia’s opinions on human rights seriously. That, and your graphic is from 2019 and outdated. The list changed remarkably in 2020 and the countries of Algeria, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Kuwait, Nigeria, Oman, Philippines, Serbia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Zambia revoked their defense of the CCP’s treatment of Uighurs. It’s left as an exercise to the reader which of those are majority-Muslim.

Aside from all that, the fact that you refer to those camps with the CCP-friendly term “vocational facilities and re-education centers” means we’re just not going to agree on this because that’s certainly not what they sound like.

Don’t spend all fifty cents in one place.

The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

“All the other totalitarian countries agree with our totalitarian county” lol

You can also literally just visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself lol, since there’s not much travel restrictions on the region anymore now that covid’s mostly over.

There are tons of Youtube videos doing just that.

This is a description of actual events that actually happened. Nothing in my comment is an interpretation of anything whatsoever.

If you don’t believe War on Drugs laws like the Crime Bill were popular, that’s simply because you’ve done no research. The 1994 bill now seen as “racist” had 58% support in the minority community, a trend that continued for some time.

The cool thing about democracy is people can look around and say “oh shit we fucked up.” All you have to do is change enough minds.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I’m not american. But other than that, USA is very preferable over China

Libs are just conservatives at heart who like to think they’re progressive so yeah that checks out.

Instead of improving our country, these two groups tell you to go elsewhere.

You make fair and valid points, but the propaganda the US government creates does not stand alone in the american media sphere. We have the freedom to explore other ideas on the internet or purchase movies, tv shows, music, and articles from all around the world with little to no censorship. Thus, american propaganda influence faces more competition than its chinese counterpart.

I love how you talk about the news business as if you know anything at all about what really goes on in newsrooms and editorial meetings. You obviously don’t. What you say is pure amateur hour. It’s so uninformed that it isn’t even wrong; it’s just in a completely different part of the universe that has almost nothing whatsoever to do with actual reality on the ground.

I disagree with your point that private organizations dont go against the status quo in the US. I can’t turn on any news agency in the States without seeing headlines about where the US government is failing. and which political party is blamed for said failure depends on the bias of the news agency.

I 100% agree that news agencies are biased to their business elites in the US, but the foreign policy bias you mention is more related to that news agencies’ particular politcal leanings.

I find it hard to believe that the business elites that own news agencies are trying to sway the american peoples view of china because they feel they are losing some petty competition to make more money. We’ve seen the global opinion of china fall greatly since 2008, mostly due to how china is treating its people through strict surveilance, its attempt to control its neighbors, its use of wolfe warrior diplomacy, and increase aggression on the global stage.

So much western propaganda here and articles with deliberately missing context lmao.

First off, of course an industrializing nation has to emit pollution, specially one with a 1.5 billion population; every industrialized country has, and Africa will too as it industrializes in the future. The point is China is actually doing something about it now, unlike the west.

China and Africa shouldn’t have to suffer by not industrializing, just because western countries can’t manage their pollution even after doing so.

Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM in Xinjiang than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.

50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

…separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

Also, their supposed “debt-trapping” of nations is just a flat-out lie lmao, likely stemming from the actual debt-trapping that the IMF and World Bank from the west do. China hasn’t seized a single asset from a country that’s defaulted on its debt in the 10 years the BRI has been in progress, even forgiving billions of dollars of debt sometimes.

Of course, not every project has been a success. When you’re working on thousands of foreign infrastructure projects (over 3000 so far) some of them are bound to be massive failures. Railways and bridges for example are often not directly profitable, neither in China nor elsewhere.

won’t consider freedom of press

Ah RSF, one of the many anti-China “non-profit” organizations that receives significant funding from the NED, an offshoot of the CIA, and various other imperialist organizations. I’d take any of their claims with a huge grain of salt, specially ones about the west’s geopolitical rivals.

their widespread intellectual property theft

Intellectual property shouldn’t exist in the first place; they only do so megacorporations can patent everything and keep others down. I applaud them for ignoring those; Africa should do the same as it industrializes, the same way the US also blatantly violated intellectual property laws as it was industrializing.

a territory that has operated independently just fine

Aside from the fact that modern Taiwan came to exist by completely genociding all its natives just 40 years ago (think Israel but if they actually managed to kill all Palestinians), I wouldn’t call hosting military from the most war-mongering nation on its geopolitical rival’s borders, and having a US puppet government “just fine”.

Yeah… that windtunnel can fuck itself. It’ll be gone soon if they ban everyone that disagrees with them.