That’s not how the legal system works. If you come at the king you best not miss and jack has no interest in missing.
I’d rather have an air tight case given how slippery Trump has been. You clearly understand how difficult this is yet here you are advocating for a rush job.
It’s been three fucking years. I strenuously object to the notion that building even an airtight case for crimes we all witnessed live on national fucking TV really needed to take this goddamn long!
For perspective, by this amount of time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler had been arrested, tried, convicted, imprisoned, wrote a shitty book, and pardoned and released again. If even the Weimar fucking Republic – damn near a failed state – could manage that, what do these ridiculous delays say about us?!
He was convicted and imprisoned. Are you implying the fact that he got pardoned means that wasn’t what they should have done? Do you think if they moved slower or did something else different Hitler wouldn’t have been pardoned somehow?
In principle I agree. But the truth is the GOP has gone fully rogue. They aren’t even playing the same game, let alone by the same rules. The more latitude Trump and those in thrall to him are afforded, the more likely an actual, effective, coup is executed. The deeper into the process Trump gets, the more legitimaized he becomes. The more legitimaized he becomes the more the “implications” increase. Basically he needs to be removed from the game as soon as possible because time is a huge factor. He’s very good at stall tactics, and he is very good at making sure things do or do not stay in the public consciousness. In short, the most dangerous thing you can give Trump to play with is time.
I’m with you on the legal side, but on the media side, wtf. I’m tired of having to check whether each piece of new, devastating evidence is in fact a) new and not some new wrapper around an article from yesterday b) actually devastating, not routine filing and c) relevant at all.
That’s no dig at this particular article, but these headlines are inducing a “shit or get off the pot” mentality as far as trying to keep up.
Edit: I would like to note that this headline engages in speculation (note the word “may”). That is some “shit or get off the pot” shit. I’m tired of what “may” happen. At least in the headline. Speculation has its place. It’s in the body of a well-sourced article.
The media has been milking the nations politics for a long time now. In 2016 CBS CEO was quoted saying Trump was making them lots of money. It’s the same thing here, they think they can outlast the fascism so they don’t seem to care about the damage it does
Not to say that those that write articles about how extra doomed Trump is this time for sure but probably not yet…… are hurting the nation like CBS did with Trump but it does have a negative effect.
I guess they don’t want people to forget but the fatigue is real. That’s part of trumps delay tactic and his bullshit as a whole for that matter
If the legal system cannot hold Trump accountable before hes able to get elected president and make these investigations stop then the legal system doesn’t work. A system that cannot protect itself from the people it’s supposed to punish is fundamentally broken, and that’s looking like where we are. Cling to the broken system and you should expect broken results.
We are nowhere near rushing it, its been three years. We are actively slow walking, all we need to do it treat him like we treat people without wealth, but we cannot. There’s a massive amount of space between ‘rushing it’ and what we are doing right now.
Imagine if they miss just one little thing and he gets off on a technicality. He would absolutely escalate the dictatorship bs and justify it all by pointing to his non conviction or a successful appeal.
You say it is being actively slow walked. Based on what? Cannon is slow walking the FL documents case, but Jack Smith is running a “speedy trial” in DC. So is Willis in GA. Trump’s NY fraud case is finishing up after a pretty standard length trial given the amount of info that needed to be presented.
If these are intentionally slow trials, then what should the timelines have been instead?
That’s not how the legal system works. If you come at the king you best not miss and jack has no interest in missing.
I’d rather have an air tight case given how slippery Trump has been. You clearly understand how difficult this is yet here you are advocating for a rush job.
Let him cook.
It’s been three fucking years. I strenuously object to the notion that building even an airtight case for crimes we all witnessed live on national fucking TV really needed to take this goddamn long!
For perspective, by this amount of time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler had been arrested, tried, convicted, imprisoned, wrote a shitty book, and pardoned and released again. If even the Weimar fucking Republic – damn near a failed state – could manage that, what do these ridiculous delays say about us?!
Remind me what happened to Hitler after that prosecution?
He was convicted and imprisoned. Are you implying the fact that he got pardoned means that wasn’t what they should have done? Do you think if they moved slower or did something else different Hitler wouldn’t have been pardoned somehow?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
This is before Hitler rolled over Europe.
Hitler didn’t base his society on lawyers
In principle I agree. But the truth is the GOP has gone fully rogue. They aren’t even playing the same game, let alone by the same rules. The more latitude Trump and those in thrall to him are afforded, the more likely an actual, effective, coup is executed. The deeper into the process Trump gets, the more legitimaized he becomes. The more legitimaized he becomes the more the “implications” increase. Basically he needs to be removed from the game as soon as possible because time is a huge factor. He’s very good at stall tactics, and he is very good at making sure things do or do not stay in the public consciousness. In short, the most dangerous thing you can give Trump to play with is time.
Or just stringing it out and managing to win the next election (probably by more effective cheating)
We’ve already missed on multiple occasions and it’s showing now.
No more half measures, Walter
I’m with you on the legal side, but on the media side, wtf. I’m tired of having to check whether each piece of new, devastating evidence is in fact a) new and not some new wrapper around an article from yesterday b) actually devastating, not routine filing and c) relevant at all.
That’s no dig at this particular article, but these headlines are inducing a “shit or get off the pot” mentality as far as trying to keep up.
Edit: I would like to note that this headline engages in speculation (note the word “may”). That is some “shit or get off the pot” shit. I’m tired of what “may” happen. At least in the headline. Speculation has its place. It’s in the body of a well-sourced article.
The media has been milking the nations politics for a long time now. In 2016 CBS CEO was quoted saying Trump was making them lots of money. It’s the same thing here, they think they can outlast the fascism so they don’t seem to care about the damage it does
Not to say that those that write articles about how extra doomed Trump is this time for sure but probably not yet…… are hurting the nation like CBS did with Trump but it does have a negative effect.
I guess they don’t want people to forget but the fatigue is real. That’s part of trumps delay tactic and his bullshit as a whole for that matter
If the legal system cannot hold Trump accountable before hes able to get elected president and make these investigations stop then the legal system doesn’t work. A system that cannot protect itself from the people it’s supposed to punish is fundamentally broken, and that’s looking like where we are. Cling to the broken system and you should expect broken results.
All that can be true and rushing it would still be a worse option.
We are nowhere near rushing it, its been three years. We are actively slow walking, all we need to do it treat him like we treat people without wealth, but we cannot. There’s a massive amount of space between ‘rushing it’ and what we are doing right now.
Imagine if they miss just one little thing and he gets off on a technicality. He would absolutely escalate the dictatorship bs and justify it all by pointing to his non conviction or a successful appeal.
You say it is being actively slow walked. Based on what? Cannon is slow walking the FL documents case, but Jack Smith is running a “speedy trial” in DC. So is Willis in GA. Trump’s NY fraud case is finishing up after a pretty standard length trial given the amount of info that needed to be presented.
If these are intentionally slow trials, then what should the timelines have been instead?
Wait, are we cooking or are we shitting? Because those are very different pots…