Reposting this from Qasim Rashid, esq. on Mastodon.

(I do know this is discoverable from Mastodon but heck consider it a boost).

  • julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    424·
    1 year ago

    Seeing people suggesting that rescue efforts encourage more people to take the risk of crossing. Not true if you look at the data.

    these results strongly suggest that…the absence of SAR operations…has little or no effect on the number of arrivals

    Oxford study.

  • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
    372·
    1 year ago

    It’s a bit more nuanced than that, she’s accused of cooperating with smugglers to stage fake rescue operations, but the suit is still ongoing and I’m not sure if it’s legit or not. From what I’ve seen she seems to be a good person so the suit is possibly bogus.

    • Colombo@kbin.social
      2020·
      1 year ago

      It’s a bit more nuanced

      That is not more nuanced those are plain facts. OP is plainly lying.

      She is accused and jailed for voluntarily being a part of a smuggling operation, even when she was explicitly told not to do so by the Italian government.

      Compared to completely normal rescue efforts when a boat or plane capsize, when workers are trapped in a mine, when someone is lost in the mountains, or when a bunch of nobodies are taken hostage by a criminal organisation, be it local or abroad.

      Again, this is not nuance, those are commonly known facts that OP is lying about.

      • twelve@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        191·
        1 year ago

        No, it’s nuanced. People smuggling worked like this… They would call her (and/or other NGO) and say “we just dropped x people in the sea at these coordinated, bye!”. She would go and pick them up (she would not make any money out of this).

        What the xenophobic party that was (and kinda is) in power wanted is to her ignore the heads up and let people die in the sea. Because all that party promised to his (debatable) electors is more death in the sea (to scare the other migrants).

        Also all this is polical because the vast majority of illegal immigration is through Balkans anyway

  • rty654rty654@lemmy.caEnglish
    367·
    1 year ago

    Only rich people matter.

    Poor people aren’t human and therefore don’t deserve rights or help.

    • swnt@feddit.deEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      As I grow older and looked more closely at how stuff work in society, I am disappointed, that in many places it does work exactly like this.

      sure, in developed countries many “normal” peoel also have many rights, but that’ll end quickly if you seriously try to mess with the establishes power structures

      • happyspark@kbin.social
        14·
        1 year ago

        I’d argue it’s actually “most places” rather than “many”. It’s not so obvious in day-to-day life but like if I had to take an ambulance tonight, me and my estate would be on the hook for the bill, but a billionaire would not be.

    • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social
      102·
      1 year ago

      Poor people aren’t human and therefore don’t deserve rights or help

      Incorrect. Poor people are replaceable with other poor people and eventually with robots. The fact that poor people aren’t doing anything today about any of this means that there will come a day where the 1% makes up around 50% of the still living global population.

      When we invented the car, horses didn’t go get better jobs we just started having fewer horses.

  • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
    154·
    1 year ago

    pia klemp is on my short list of heroes and deserves every honor she will accept. any government that tries to impede her should be treated with contempt

  • giacomo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    I’ll say it: it’s time for major ocean reform. we can’t keep letting the ocean take our people without consequence.

  • akitten@kbin.social
    1631·
    1 year ago

    The NGOs in this case work with the people smugglers.

    The “migrant rescue efforts” cause more people to take the risk. This results in more deaths and illegal crossings from people listening to people smugglers.

      • gonzo0815@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        61·
        1 year ago

        People who claim that don’t mean literally work with smugglers. They mean, that efforts to save refugees encourages fleeing.

        That’s about as logical as claiming ambulances are working with drug dealers when they try to save someone ODing.

        • julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          It is illogical, not to mention callous. And yet the exaggerated rhetoric persists and whips up negative sentiment towards literal life savers from braindead segments of the far right.

          They’re wrong about encouraging fleeing too (as if that even needed saying) as I’ve pointed out elsewhere on the thread.