Obviously cash is the more private option, but I have had trouble getting away from the convenience of using cards. Is there a way to use debit or credit cards and preserve privacy?

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    3 years ago

    I never said anything about public ATM footage in Telegram

    You claimed that banks never delete CCTV recordings from ATMs. So I really dont understand what you are arguing for or against.

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      Because the definition of deletion and removal of files are different these days.

      Most networks hide your files but they are still stored on the server, despite the claim that they are deleted after xyz. Maybe from the index, but no one directly states from the servers or third-party servers that might be involved.

      For example if you delete your account on Facebook, Discord and bunch of other services you still can access the files after you delete your Account. While your server, files are not visible, the URL will still work.

      Most people - assume - that the word delete means that the provider or others that are somewhat involved with it actually physically delete everything, which is not the case.

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        But thats not how it works for a company that stores terrabytes of CCTV footage on Amazon S3. Either they pay for more and more storage over time (and it gets very expensive with video), or they pay a constant amount, and get a constant amount of storage. Which means they have to delete old files. Amazon certainly wont store anything at that scale for free.

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          I like to point out that delete all files might be impossible anyway, especially in Banks that record 24/7 a day. They do backups, if a bank claims - we delete all footage after X days, then they also need to delete all backup material, which I doubt they will do. The effort is very high.

          I claim they delete or hide stuff from the normal storage servers, but they do not delete the backups and also I doubt that partner servers or other backup servers will do that. The effort to delete everything and hide specific things from backups would be huge and in not practicable. GDPR or DSGV also is not specific what delete means, physical delete files, or does it include backups too etc.

          If I were a bank I would only delete stuff if,… if I ever run out of storage. Keeping such material is to value overall in case you need to go back 1 month or more to investigate a gang. Check how thieves checked out my bank and build strategies, some gangs work over MONTHS to exploit a bank’s weakness.

          As said, you e.g. pay Amazon, Google these days for CPU time, the storage has no limit, Google even mention that directly that there is no limit, I mean there is but I saw piracy groups hosting PETABYTES of movies on Google Drive.

          Yeah, no one said anything for free, in that I agree with you, but is cheaper than self-hosting, which was my overall point here. Which is why I mentioned some examples.

          Maybe my definition forever is up for debate, but certainly more than they admit they do… Maybe only 7-10 years. No one knows. I know in Germany the fed keep documents 7-10 years, must do by law.

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            Of course deleted means there should be no copy of it. Backups are copies, so they are to be removed. Also, backups/archibe are usually compressed, not indexed and generally more expensive to access. ATM footage has no value at all for banks as far as I can tell, they are just there for legal reasons.