Let’s begin with the obvious: Duchamp’s Fountain really was a urinal. Not a painting or sculpture of a urinoir – though the latter might raise interesting philosophical questions – but the real thing, a token of a particular type – there were many visually indistinguishable urinals that came off the same production line. And just as importantly, Duchamp had no involvement whatsoever in designing or making the urinal that was the raw material for his artwork. His contribution was to sign the urinal, and exhibit it as art.

Source: It is and it isn’t | Marcel Duchamp’s ‘Fountain’ is not just a radical kind of art. It’s a philosophical dialetheia: a contradiction that is true

  • Nexius_Lobster@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
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    10 months ago

    the real question should be: does it count as “art” in the first place, which is a question the art community has been trying to find the answer to since the last 107 years since it’s been published.

    I know next to nothing about art history and art movements but what i find really interesting is how its able to divide the community in half (as evidenced by the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on this very post)

    It’s a piece of art that makes you ask what is art in the first place.Now I agree one could probably poop on a plate or tape a banana to an exhibit wall to raise the same question, but Duchamp’s works are iconic enough in the realm of modernism to warrant a discussion in the least.

    As for it being traditional art or not, This community was created to promote any and all art that is “non-digital” in nature, so at least fountain falls under that umbrella.

    • jayrhacker@kbin.social
      11·
      10 months ago

      It helps to contextualize this work in the movement it was part of: Dada. After the invention of photography the fine arts community was dealing with a crisis: painting was the primary form of art, and painting was meant to capture reality faithfully. Photography turns that on it’s head and we get the beginnings of modern art with the Ashcan school in 1900 which makes everyday life, including the lives of the less fortunate, an acceptable subject of painting (previously it was nearly all portraiture, landscape and scenes from history or fiction).

      Less representative paintings give way to abstract art, and just 19 years later we see that artists are pushing the bounds of what is considered “art”. Duchamp and company were asking the question of “what is art” with each new piece and the overall movement of Data and it’s descendants such as Fluxus has investigated that boundary for more than 100 years.