Rolling Stone spoke with diehard Trump supporters who waited hours in the snow to watch the former president stump in New Hampshire

Fresh off a historic victory in the Iowa caucuses, former President Donald Trump traveled to New Hampshire and complained to his supporters that he had to leave the White House after losing the 2020 election.

Fans had lined up for hours outside in the snow for a chance to see the presumptive Republican nominee in person — excited over his Iowa win, appearing confident he will once again be president.

During his speech, Trump said it “was ridiculous that we had to leave, but we had to leave, we have to follow the laws of our land.” He quickly doubled down on his 2020 election lies: “They don’t investigate the people that cheated in the election. They investigate the people that understand they cheated and go after them. But they don’t investigate the people who cheated like hell. We have to have fair and free elections.”

Of course, Trump is being prosecuted for attempting to rig the 2020 election and overturn the results in key swing states — and as Rolling Stone has reported, he and his allies are working diligently to predetermine the results of the 2024 election and make sure they favor Trump.

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    10 months ago

    I never see anyone bring this up, and I truly understand that all of our logical arguments don’t work on Trump’s supporters, but election fraud at the level of a Presidential election? The fuck?!

    What does that even look like? How was it done? How were several thousand key people, at the very least, convinced to fake it for Biden and yet no one has stepped forward in guilt? How has the entire Trump machine not been able to unearth the slightest bit of evidence?

    One redditor broke it down succinctly in 2020, “We’re smart enough to have faked it and didn’t eliminate Mitch McConnell?!” These people literally don’t understand that all those votes are scored on the same ballots.

    I can go on all night, but I know this, Bill Clinton couldn’t get a bj in the Oval Office and keep it quiet.

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      He made up stories in 2016 that Hillary bussed in millions of immigrants to vote in California, which is why he lost the state no republican has won since Bush the first, who was riding high on Regan’s afterglow.

      The pure raw logistics of bussing millions of people anywhere, for any reason, especially on the same day is mind boggling. Pretending that it was done in a stunningly populous state during an election and no one anywhere had any proof of it when ubiquitous camera phones exist, when he already won the election, was mind blowing.

      Thats where his lies come from. Pure, raw unchecked ego, with no connection to the world itself. His base wants to believe, so they do, and they more they do, the more he can lie about. Rinse, repeat, until we are now at la la land.

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        Honestly the craziest part of that lie, to me, was how electable it should have made Hillary sound. She led the coordination of a million person movement in one day for a major event, at so low a cost that it was unnoticeable in any budget, and so seamlessly that no one noticed it happening at the time? That makes her sound like a logistical and strategic badass.

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        He made up stories in 2016 that Hillary bussed in millions of immigrants to vote in California, …

        Math!

        • If a coach bus carries 60 passengers, and there are two million people (“millions”) to be bussed, that would require 33,334 buses.
        • Since each bus requires a driver, that means 33,334 bus drivers.
        • At 45 feet per bus, that’s over 284 miles of buses.
        • If the buses get 6 miles per gallon, and each bus needs to travel a mere 60 miles, that’s a total fuel usage of 333,340 gallons of fuel.
        • Gas and diesel were both around $2.75 a gallon in 2016, which means that the fuel cost alone for this very generous hypothetical scenario would be $916,685.00.
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        And the easiest way to bust that conspiracy is to ask:

        Why send them all to blue California, and not to any red states?

        Do you know how many low-populations states like Wyoming and the Dakotas could be flipped blue with just a few tens of thousands more Democratic voters? It makes no sense to send them to a state you’re already going to win, when you can thin them out and win several states

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          Ehh, that has an easy and stupid rebutal:

          “Good gun toting Christian patriots would have killed those illegals on sight. It’s only in Satanic Taxifornia where all the godless heathen and DeMoN RaTs live that they could get away with it!”

          The key was that he wanted to vilify Hillary, immigrants and California all at once while stroking his own ego.

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        What happened next pa? Well son as always it was projection and they were the ones busing immigrants around the country.

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      You’re talking about people who literally think there’s body doubles ruling the country or second military systems with one controlled by Biden and another still by Trump.

      The education entrance polling for the Iowa caucuses was eye opening, even being in line with what I expected.

      Have a post-graduate degree? 75% Voted for someone other than Trump.

      Didn’t go to college? 75% Trump.

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        Not enough non-white representation to be properly aggregated.

        Hard stance against immigration.

        His support of ‘people like them’ captures 80% of reasons why they’re voting.

        It all adds up to them disliking people they have no actual interaction with because the news makes them scary. Just raw, unashamed bigotry marching for the Oval.

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      Conspiracies don’t have to make sense, they just have to make you feel good.