No hate for the middle class. I can’t help but enjoy the irony of people who thought they had solidarity with capital talking like Ned Ludd all of a sudden.

    • stevehobbes@lemy.lol
      2·
      9 months ago

      That’s crazy. And definitely not the norm, even outside of big tech.

      I’ve been in 4 startups, no one was making that little money even 20 years ago.

      • PrettyLights@lemmy.world
        31·
        9 months ago

        Yep, I’ve worked at tech places with bad pay but never “decades of experience and only making a little more than minimum wage”. Especially if they held a Senior title. It’s been a wild ride listening to their story evolve.

    • PrettyLights@lemmy.world
      21·
      9 months ago

      That first job also had a seasoned professional graphic designer with multiple decades of experience and she wasn’t making much more than I was.

      How seasoned could they be if they weren’t able to demand a raise or work somewhere else for more as a UX Designer? How could a seasoned professional be so close to entry level, and minimum wage?

      Know your worth, companies aren’t just going to hand you money to be nice. Negotiate, and if they don’t play ball, prove you’re as good as you think you are somewhere else.

        • PrettyLights@lemmy.world
          11·
          9 months ago

          Some of us have been working remote since way before Covid.

          Skill level doesn’t equal pay level directly, but if you have decades of experience in a technical field like UX Design and are still making close to minimum wage in the USA, that does sound like a skill issue.

            • PrettyLights@lemmy.world
              12·
              9 months ago

              You ignored the fact that myself and many others were working remote many years ago. Even using the old project middleman websites would have made more than minimum wage.

              Why was moving impossible? Programming is full of foreign nationals who left their family, culture, languages, etc to try and make a better life for themselves but we can’t move to a different city and try?

              Decades of UX Design experience, near minimum wage…

              Victim Mentality

                • PrettyLights@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  9 months ago

                  First it was “decades of experience” now it’s “maybe 11 years” those are big differences.

                  I never mentioned silicon valley or VC bubbles, no one can predict the future. But if someone with decades of experience as you put it was making nearly minimum wage, they should have at least tried commuting or moving to their nearest Metropolitan area. “We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”