Risk of child/mother dying is higher, but mostly if there are complications. For the most part, water birthing is relatively safe. Not getting a birth certificate, on the other hand, is not.
Here is a study which has a ton of info. To summarize, undergoing labor in a water bath just flat out is safer. Actually giving birth has mixed results, not necessarily because it’s less safe, but because there are a lot of external factors.(much of the studies featured midwives, which isn’t useful for my claim) That being said, this specific segment, which I’ve done my best to ensure it wasn’t taken out of context, is highly relevant to my claim:
Rates of newborn transfer to a hospital were lower following water birth (1.5%) than non–water birth (2.8%). Rates of adverse newborn outcomes (5-min Apgar score, 7, respiratory issues, presence of infection, and NICU admission) were each lower than 1.0% in the water-birth sample. The total rate of any respiratory issue was 1.6% in the babies born in water and 2.0% in those not born in water.
What does that at all have to do with not having a doctor present in case of a complication? Nearly 1 in 10 of all pregnancies have a complication of some sort. It doesn’t matter how safe the method usually is, if something goes unexpectedly wrong you want someone there trained to handle it.
Specific to your point, my local state run/funded hospital does offer several rooms with birthing pools and midwife lead births, they weren’t pushy in any direction regarding birthing options and were generally positive on the experience, certainly didn’t discourage the option.
Granted this is in a hospital, doctors are on hand if required and the option is removed if the pregnancy is higher risk, but a no-Doctor/kiddie-pool birth in and of itself isn’t super remarkable.
Setting that child up for failure. An actual pull themselves up by the bootstraps situation for them to have a chance at deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.
Deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.
I just realized we all face this choice at some point. Some are more drastically different than others, but at some point we all have to decide if we follow what we’ve been taught through childhood, or if we follow outside influences of society.
Actually many people believe the same but in reverse. A lesser known fact is that the SSA assigns a SSN to every child born in a hospital Source - SSA guide on Process. It is supposed to be opt-in but court cases by Native Americans have shown that its essentially mandatory and so the driving force of these live births are to avoid their children being branded by a number than can serve as an identifier for the rest of their information. When these kids grow up they often have to get their congressmen involved to get the SSA to issue an SSN since one was not issued at birth. It shows their process works to an extent since they literally have to be vetted by local congressman to show they exist. I am sure there are users in privacy focused communities who would kill to drop off the grid similarly.
I remember a case like this that was on reddit. She posted some video explaining the whole thing and that she turned 18 in a few weeks and had no documents. No birth cert, no SSN, no DL, no official docs of any kind. She was leaving her crazy anti gov parents when she turned 18 but realized she had no way to do it for that reason. The easiest solution people had for her to start the ball on all that was for her to sue her parents for a paternity test and go from there with sworn statements and such.
As I was reading I was wondering how one would start to prove who they are. A paternity test is definitely a good start. It links you to people who exist. I hope they write a book or sell the story at some point to help with their life. Parents really fucked it up for them.
Home-birthing is more risky, but a “70% mortality rate” is leaving the area of “overestimation” and entering “lie” territory.
The neonatal mortality for US hospital midwife-attended births was 3.27 per 10,000 live births, 13.66 per 10,000 live births for all planned home births, and 27.98 per 10,000 live births for unintended/unplanned home births.
It’s a price they’re willing to have their children pay if it means they can vicariously live out their legal fantasies through them. Obviously all the trouble in their life comes from the government and creditors having some records on them so pump out a couple stealth babies while nobody’s looking, [step 2], profit.
What does “Freebirthed” means?
Birth at home with no midwife, no doctors, none of that annoying medical stuff. Just the Mom, and some other idiots winging it like cave man times.
I literally don’t understand a birthing plan that doesn’t include doctors but does include kiddie pools.
Don’t try to understand it, or anything to do with “Sovereign Citizen” nonsense. It takes a unique kind of stupid to exist in that alternate reality.
I mean, is that not what they are for? It’s literally in the name.
Risk of child/mother dying is higher, but mostly if there are complications. For the most part, water birthing is relatively safe. Not getting a birth certificate, on the other hand, is not.
Which are, uh, pretty common when giving birth.
Here is a study which has a ton of info. To summarize, undergoing labor in a water bath just flat out is safer. Actually giving birth has mixed results, not necessarily because it’s less safe, but because there are a lot of external factors.(much of the studies featured midwives, which isn’t useful for my claim) That being said, this specific segment, which I’ve done my best to ensure it wasn’t taken out of context, is highly relevant to my claim:
What does that at all have to do with not having a doctor present in case of a complication? Nearly 1 in 10 of all pregnancies have a complication of some sort. It doesn’t matter how safe the method usually is, if something goes unexpectedly wrong you want someone there trained to handle it.
Specific to your point, my local state run/funded hospital does offer several rooms with birthing pools and midwife lead births, they weren’t pushy in any direction regarding birthing options and were generally positive on the experience, certainly didn’t discourage the option.
Granted this is in a hospital, doctors are on hand if required and the option is removed if the pregnancy is higher risk, but a no-Doctor/kiddie-pool birth in and of itself isn’t super remarkable.
Born outside of the hospital system with no record of the birth. Essentially an unregistered individual.
Setting that child up for failure. An actual pull themselves up by the bootstraps situation for them to have a chance at deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.
I just realized we all face this choice at some point. Some are more drastically different than others, but at some point we all have to decide if we follow what we’ve been taught through childhood, or if we follow outside influences of society.
For sure. With the world moving towards fully digital records that child is going to be absolutely fucked in the future.
Actually many people believe the same but in reverse. A lesser known fact is that the SSA assigns a SSN to every child born in a hospital Source - SSA guide on Process. It is supposed to be opt-in but court cases by Native Americans have shown that its essentially mandatory and so the driving force of these live births are to avoid their children being branded by a number than can serve as an identifier for the rest of their information. When these kids grow up they often have to get their congressmen involved to get the SSA to issue an SSN since one was not issued at birth. It shows their process works to an extent since they literally have to be vetted by local congressman to show they exist. I am sure there are users in privacy focused communities who would kill to drop off the grid similarly.
I remember a case like this that was on reddit. She posted some video explaining the whole thing and that she turned 18 in a few weeks and had no documents. No birth cert, no SSN, no DL, no official docs of any kind. She was leaving her crazy anti gov parents when she turned 18 but realized she had no way to do it for that reason. The easiest solution people had for her to start the ball on all that was for her to sue her parents for a paternity test and go from there with sworn statements and such.
As I was reading I was wondering how one would start to prove who they are. A paternity test is definitely a good start. It links you to people who exist. I hope they write a book or sell the story at some point to help with their life. Parents really fucked it up for them.
So technically not even a citizen
Legally a citizen (assuming born in the US) because lack of paperwork doesn’t change the law - but with no way of actually proving it.
That’s what they wanted
Think middles ages. Think 70% mortality rate. Think black death, polio, measles. Think “hell yeah, give all of that to my child”
Home-birthing is more risky, but a “70% mortality rate” is leaving the area of “overestimation” and entering “lie” territory.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32044310/
I couldn’t find numbers for births without a midwife.
Also, in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC provides data, a total of 9 people have contracted the plague.
https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html
That stat is for “midwife attended” ie having a professional do it, not “me and my husband”.
I mean, yeah. I pulled 70% out of my ass, but my point was “idiot is neglectful”.
My comment was not meant to be interpreted literally.
It’s a price they’re willing to have their children pay if it means they can vicariously live out their legal fantasies through them. Obviously all the trouble in their life comes from the government and creditors having some records on them so pump out a couple stealth babies while nobody’s looking, [step 2], profit.