• Malte@feddit.de
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    8 months ago

    So let’s have a look at your sources. The first one from UN. Does it say Israel is the sole responsible party? Does it state that it is Israel or rather Hamas who puts palestine at the risk of genocide? It does not. The second one from aljazeera talks about legal concerns. So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources. Your stuff doesn’t hold up to basic fact checks. Shall I go on? And all of that is not even necessary when even there are plenty of legit ways to criticize Israel.

    On top if that you fail to present any ideas on what Israel should be doing instead, how they should improve their ways or what alternatives options there might be. In a way I don’t blame you, I also have no better ideas and that’s probably because there are no better options.

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      “Sole responsible party”

      For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.

      Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn’t fly?

      Still, you’ve not a single source.

      So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources.

      What you mean is that “I’m too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I’m gonna pretend like there’s nothing bad happening, as I’ve been doing all the time.”

      How many kids are dead in Israel? That’s weird. When I write “how many dead kids in israel” to Google, there’s no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as “legal concerns”. You don’t see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don’t know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It’s disgusting.

      Let’s look at the first three results on google for “how many dead israeli kids”

      1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

      #Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

      2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

      RAMALLAH, 11 January 2023 – More than 10,000 children have been killed by Israeli airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza in nearly 100 days of violence, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, with thousands more missing, presumed buried under rubble, Save the Children said.

      The latest data from the Ministry of Health in Gaza shows more than 10,000 of Gaza’s 1.1 million children - or 1% of the total child population – have been killed since an attack on Israel on 7 October [1] and the assault on Gaza that has followed. The war will have been ongoing for 100 days on Sunday 14 January.

      Children in Gaza surviving the violence are enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones. They have been forced to flee violence, often repeatedly, with no safe place to go, and face the terror of an uncertain future. About 1,000 children in Gaza have lost one or both of their legs, many having them amputated without anesthetic, and will require a lifetime of medical care.

      The relief workers in Gaza have said there’s a new acronym in play: “WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family.”

      And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn’t happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That’s what’s happening to you, right now. You’re denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.

      There aren’t “legal concerns”, THERE’S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don’t know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it’s just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it’s not a one-line meme.

      https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide

      (The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

      Is that hard for you to read? Let’s make it bigger, shall we.

      ##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

      Do you understand why there’s “punish incitement to commit genocide”? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting “human animals”. That is called DEHUMANISATION and it’s an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don’t understand this is pathetic.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#

      Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, whose call for a total siege of Gaza as part of a battle against “human animals” was noted by the court on Friday, said the ICJ had “granted South Africa’s antisemitic request”.

      Netanyahu himself has said he won’t listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won’t follow international laws they’ve agreed to follow as members of the UN.

      And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.

      You still haven’t been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head “no no no no no no mummmy it’s not true we’re not the baddies”. Disgusting.

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      “Sole responsible party”

      For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.

      Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn’t fly?

      Still, you’ve not a single source.

      So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources.

      “Mummy, what is a strawman…?”

      What you mean is that** “I’m too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I’m gonna pretend like there’s nothing bad happening, as I’ve been doing all the time.” **

      How many kids are dead in Israel? That’s weird. When I write “how many dead kids in israel” to Google, there’s no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as “legal concerns”. You don’t see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don’t know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It’s disgusting.

      Let’s look at the first three results on google for “how many dead israeli kids”

      1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

      #Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

      2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

      RAMALLAH, 11 January 2023 – More than 10,000 children have been killed by Israeli airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza in nearly 100 days of violence, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, with thousands more missing, presumed buried under rubble, Save the Children said.

      The latest data from the Ministry of Health in Gaza shows more than 10,000 of Gaza’s 1.1 million children - or 1% of the total child population – have been killed since an attack on Israel on 7 October [1] and the assault on Gaza that has followed. The war will have been ongoing for 100 days on Sunday 14 January.

      Children in Gaza surviving the violence are enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones. They have been forced to flee violence, often repeatedly, with no safe place to go, and face the terror of an uncertain future. About 1,000 children in Gaza have lost one or both of their legs, many having them amputated without anesthetic, and will require a lifetime of medical care.

      The relief workers in Gaza have said there’s a new acronym in play: “WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family.”

      And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn’t happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That’s what’s happening to you, right now. You’re denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.

      There aren’t “legal concerns”, THERE’S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don’t know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it’s just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it’s not a one-line meme.

      https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide

      (The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

      Is that hard for you to read? Let’s make it bigger, shall we.

      ##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

      Do you understand why there’s “punish incitement to commit genocide”? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting “human animals”. That is called DEHUMANISATION and it’s an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don’t understand this is pathetic.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#

      Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, whose call for a total siege of Gaza as part of a battle against “human animals” was noted by the court on Friday, said the ICJ had “granted South Africa’s antisemitic request”.

      Netanyahu himself has said he won’t listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won’t follow international laws they’ve agreed to follow as members of the UN.

      And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.

      You still haven’t been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head “no no no no no no mummmy it’s not true we’re not the baddies”. Disgusting.

      Also, the majority of the sources you’ve ignored are the UN and the OCHR themselves, not that you would know what the OCHR stands for.

      https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

      https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2023/12/genocide-can-and-must-be-prevented-turk-declares

      https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/

      https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians

      And most of these are from last year, when the situation was dire, but not that dire.

      You’re a brainwashed propaganda-bot, nothing more. Deal with it or wake the fuck up.