China having military capability to fight the US does not mean that China should want to fight the US. A war would be incredibly costly for everyone involved, as we can see in Ukraine right now. What possible benefit is there in provoking conflict with an unhinged nuclear power?

You jumped from resisting imperialism straight to nuclear war though, surely there are steps in between? In my initial comment I said nothing about instigating conflict. Please, things like the capitalist financial incentives have nothing to do with nuclear war! I merely commented on Chinese concessions to US imperialism at home and abroad as unecessary and I maintain that.

Besides the elephant in the room is it remains unclear how China investing into Israel in 2015 or giving weapons to Saudi Arabia in 2022 is appeasing conflict at home. With Israel it was the US that had to step in and push both of them apart as Chinese influence from investments was growing.

Did Trump and Biden put Xi on a nuclear gunpoint and say you must aid our imperialist puppets or else? Come on you know the reason why, rather they thought Palestine would head to a two state solution at best and the region was stabilizing e.g see Saudi-Iran deal.

We celebrated it as a genious move of superior and successful Chinese diplomacy. It turned out that was extremely wrong in hindsight as the US called everyone’s bluff, put Saudi back on a leash and now maneuvered into a checkmate into the region.

The Genocide shows the failure of Chinese ideals, no you can’t be friends with everyone unless you’re ideologically compromised.

The fact that anybody would think avoiding war is a mistake is absolutely insane to me.

Assuming everything China does is a one way path to war is not justifiable at all and no American brainworms is not an answer, if it is then we’re back to why is the US not even fighting in Ukraine let alone WW3. You have no answer for why libs were wrong on Ukraine yet you use the same argument.

Fucking Xi wont stop on Taiwan, he wants global domination! Its exactly why the US must launch 100 nukes!

I’m so very glad people with your mindset are nowhere near levers of power in China.

Instead we have cowards and grifters, literal enemies of the global south arming our enemies while delusional westerners say nothing but hail Xi as the Comunist party shakes hands with Hitler during the hollocaust.

If only Stalin had fucking J-20s and hypersonic missiles huh? Fuck off the personal attack wasn’t necessary.

If you’re going to quote RAND at least understand they’re not hawkish on nuclear war at all, on the contrary they’re analysing potential paths for war while managing escalation.

Next time post your source.

Paper 1

Avoid making U.S. long-range strike capabilities an attractive target for a limited Chinese nuclear strike.

Avoid long-range strike missions that could accidentally or inadvertently engage a nuclear armed third-party, such as Russia or North Korea.

Avoid extemporaneous responses to dangerous moments by preparing communication strategies and responses to Chinese nuclear signaling or use ahead of time.

Avoid peacetime training of conventional missions that appear most likely to trigger Chinese nuclear use, such as large-scale cost-imposition, leadership decapitation, or counterforce.

Paper 2

History suggests that U.S. political leadership might not authorize U.S. kinetic strikes on mainland China during a future conflict.

In Taiwan scenario wargames, U.S. long-range strike is linked to multiple undesired or unintentional escalation dynamics.

In most Taiwan scenario wargames, the initial aim of U.S. conventional long-range strike is operational defense (pure denial) to stop an amphibious assault against Taiwan.

Paper 3

DoD should prepare responses to potential Chinese nuclear deterrence signaling. These responses could vary from very publicly shaming nuclear weapon use to limited but intentionally observable increases in U.S. nuclear readiness, such as initiating continuous airborne alert for the U.S. airborne command posts or moving bombers to alert positions and bringing air crews back to ensure a sustainable day-to-day alert posture (as opposed to immediately raising the defense readiness condition).

Paper 4

There are many pathways to possible nuclear escalation; nuclear use might result from one that seems far-fetched, so even implausible pathways deserve consideration.

If fully committed to fighting and winning a war with China, the United States must be prepared for nuclear escalation and place more emphasis on managing these risks.

None of these 4 papers advise or approach it from the angle of US first use, on the contrary they’re specialy concerned with managing escalation while being open to raising it which is entirely expected.

You can’t jump from this to “the US will nuke China first if it loses” unless you can mention another source.

Eh? Is that the argument now? I wasn’t expecting a struggle session just for disagreeing but sure.

My position is none of this conciliatory moves were necessary at all.

So is the Chinese military supremacy real or not? Am I supposed to just laugh at every meme about superior hypersonic missiles from now on? Is the USN carriers obsolete or not? The J-20s actualy better than F-22s and F-35s or not? The massive fleet building capacity?

All of that may as well not exist then because China is simultaniously a smol bean global south country with no ways of resisting and also the most competent and advanced military in the world.

On Nuclear warfare I think this prospect is absolutely silly. Chinese resistance doesn’t lead to WW3 anymore than Russia invading Ukraine lead to WW3, we don’t need to submit to liberal fearmongering propaganda. Why is it that we all sat here in Feb 2022 dunking on libs saying that Russia would invade Europe after Ukraine and he must be stopped or else its WW3.

Yet To defend the mistakes of CPC politics we adopt the same discourse? “Yes actually the US must invade China and launch 100 nukes on Beijing if Xi even so much as tell Israel to fuck off?”

Finaly people here have complained, correctly that Biden is literaly 99% Hitler. So are we shaking hands with Hitler or not?

We’re not talking about Chinese PLAN soldiers landing in California. We’re talking about their own concessions to western imperialism, sometimes literaly collaborating with it(see Israel BRI investments or Saudi Arabia). None of that is necessary and it is not actualy helping.

Wisely collaborating with our enemies while the world burns and the genocide goes on.

Photo of The Anti-Imperialist War front, colored, ca. 2024

Glass half empty vs glass half full.

It doesn’t matter what you or I believe only what the CPC and their neoliberal economic advisors think.

Case in point, you say there is no leverage, I say look at Foreign Direct Investment(10 year yoy change) graph and notice the actions of the CPC since early 2023 to begin a conciliatory move and silence western media criticisms e.g they reacted to the wolf warrior diplomacy shit, Xi-Biden meeting even after the moral panic over Pelosi/Taiwan 1 year earlier, absolutely not a single move against Israel etc.

China and the US are already on severe tensions, definitely the US already made moves to threaten and China is responding accordingly.

I don’t like it any more than anyone but if I want to say China can resist the US pressure? Surely they can and they should, none of those actions were good or necessary, but it doesn’t matter because the CPC doesn’t believe they can.

99% washed out boxer vs 100% washed out YT grifter.

CPC taking notes.

The consequences of applying what they’ve learned, look away. Consolation prize is Russia joined them with the same very common L too. Piece of shit BRICS grifters.

The issue is not really dedollarization here, there is no need to fixate on that.

Rather the fact this is further signs of Chinese integrating with western capital at the most critical juncture.

The part about Saudi Arabia trying to pivot into some sort of Hong Kong 2.0 is accurate as its one of the ways they hope to survival the oil crash. It is also part of the ME own internal struggle between the oil exporters to see who comes out on top. OPEC is doing production cuts and Oil is once again at the 2 year low. Saudi Arabia is rather trying survive by pivoting into financial speculation, putting it in competition with the UAE for example.

As reported 2 billion is quite literally nothing in the grand scheme so why bother at all? Because it signals a complete Chinese compromise with the western consensus. Its China being absurdly simplistic and trying to secure their own slice of the pie.

Major financial corporations are all moving to Riyadh’s financial center, just this year there is Goldman Sachs which was the first significant Wall St player just barely last month, HSBC, Rothschild. Even the Hong Kong Stock Exchange is opening a new office there. You can probably make a long list soon.

So both Chinese and the Western capital see the potential of Saudi Arabia realy becoming a financial hub(or simply don’t want to miss it) and China wants to secure good relations before its completely bought out by US interests. Yes they are that naive. Heck in this instance I’d go even further and saying there is absolutely acting as if their married to the devil. If they weren’t what would explain to us their previous deals and investments in Israel during the 2010’s and even earlier?

Its quite the epitome of trying constantly pandering about being an alternative to US imperialism and denouncing western crimes while simultaneously happily making deals with the worst enemies of the global south.

It is as bad as it sounds.

Promising to build more ports so that the same fascists farmers can export even more soybeans to China is definitely going to be one of the electoral strategies of all times.

In order of most likely/immidiate:

Invade Mexico to secure the border and fight the cartel, in reality just an excuse to round up everyone who doesn’t speak English in a Guantanamo 2.0 right on the border while doing the same on random Mexican schools and bars/markets “owned by the cartel” or some shit.

Next if somehow US goes to war with China you can absolutely expect Asian concentration camps.

Then inevitably I don’t see the US surviving climate change without doing the whole “cleaning the cities” first. At first it will be homeless and drug addicts. Then it will be LGBTQ and in the end it will be camps for climate migrants between states e.g Florida.

Not sure how reliable that is given the pretty much apocalyptic dead internet era we’re living in specially now during the AI boom.

What exactly is twitter offering when everyone knows its full of bots already? When a significant amount of clout seekers often posting AI content too.

Twitter isn’t dead, but the reason advertisers left in the first place isn’t going to change overnight. Yes you can quote some random consultant’s speculation but this is more than likely the usual political speculation libs love to do rather than meaningful analysis of the economic situation.

Its almost as if they’re not talking about the US where lobbying is legal, if advertisers care so much then can pay congress for what they want already and if staying on twitter was profitable at all they would not have left. Its not clear why the speculation this will change overnight, it seems more like lib moral panic for me.

I disagree entirely by your reasoning Bolton would still be there.

We all know Trump isn’t just incompetent but extremely egotistical and he is already significantly older and probably not that far off from Biden’s coginitive decline.

Essentialy while some standard neocon might get in right now there is realy no reason to indicate this will be sustained for 4 years let alone to believe Trump was already planning around “neocons” having power as a compromise.

I doubt Trump even understands neoconservatism and neoliberalism.

Remember Hinkle here is the near perfect duplicate of Tucker Carlson blasting Trump for escalating with Iran. Only obviously Hinkle is far less influential. But if MAGA substantialy opposes this(for the dumbest reasons) its very likely Trump will flip flop.

I think this is the whole thesis why Trump was even considered possibly a better alternative. There is a very specific narrative angle where MAGA stands completely opposite to neoconservatism and that is Russia as an ally of white supremacy. In general neocons pushing the old Bush era war is entirely against this idea the US even got “allies” outside the liberal sphere in the first place. MAGA fundamentaly can’t reconcile having shit EU libs or turbo NATO heads as allies or even having the idea they’re the ones in charge.

Democrats and Biden made sure to ally themselves with neocons as Biden made sure to praise NATO and Israel, reminding us how much he loves it every god damn press meeting during the election.

Bad news specially if as predicted Brazil fucks themselves as Lula’s government is about to do with cutting social programs right before the crucial pre-'26 election cycle. Once Brazil is compromised BRICS will have no influence in the region, questionable as it already is since Cuba being a new “partner” member is not relevant yet.

Currently a big struggle within the Brazilian government along with massive progressive/left wing parties and unions pushing back. Its not even a victory to make things better which is the shit part, its always the usual fight to stop neoliberal ghouls from making things worse and in this case a completely suicidal blow to Lula’s re-election chances.

Cuba made the “partners” shortlist and these are not members yet(if ever), right now its not clear if partners get anything at all besides a membership card and a meme Putin coin even.

The way which they massively overuse bullet points and single paragraph sections , omg its so obviously AI its sad.

Kind of shocking to see this from a huge msm site like this because it reads worse than some random wordpress blog post from 2008 about [insert trending hobby here]. Its not just obviously AI, its made and edited by someone that quite clearly doesn’t give a shit too. AI is shit but you can get chatgpt to tell you something that isn’t 20 paragraphs and 2 bullet point sections.

I realy appreciate your honesty and your attempt at doing what you thought was best for the community. I don’t think you’re high on the “do better” list either. By your own account it seems your main mistake was explicitly trusting the other mods of communities you don’t even visit 95% of the time. I think that was ok and not a mistake.

It seems the critical mistake is right there in the post you linked isn’t it? Those mod comments and how is it even possible for the mod team to become so completely detached from the site culture itself. All of this based on supposed anecdotal experiences?

You were already conscious about the fact you may not be a good judge and that was good self-awareness so I don’t think this is necessary and if it does go through I doubt its for the better.

Great tagline potential tbh

I was here since the beginning but this is not my original account. What made HB unique to me is it was that time where this is the only place that had a concretly reasonable and different view about China and other AES countries. There were some other places like Genzedong(only a lurker there) but it was banned and it since died.

I’ve seen a lot of struggle sessions about that, first it was China, I particularly remember some random person willing to die on a hill that China’s handling of terrorism in Xinjiang was just like the state police apparatus resembling post 9/11 America.

But 2022 was realy funny, the epic struggle session over why would Putin suddenly do this to smol bean innocent Ukraine. Again this was the only place I knew which we were even discussing about having a different opinion from the western consensus.

I think the way which we handled the Gaza genocide, again one of the few places that isn’t scared of the MSM narrative or afraid to fight Zionism.

I think when it comes to the real world issues we mostly eventualy found the correct majority opinion on things that matter. If at any point I felt these positions would’ve been different from mine I would’ve probably left already.

When it comes to China I think the near constant unironic Xi posting was a bit too much for me personaly specialy. 2020-22 were great years and I would be right there 100% agreeing with this as Xi is definitely a great leader, will be remembered as a key and historically important figure, undeniably.

But the decision making that led to that horrible stupid meeting with Hitler in the middle of the genocide and their similar timid stance against Israel is the closest I’ve come to a serious disagreement with some people here that obviously love unironic shallow pro-CPC-Xi meme posting. As such 2023-24 are horrible years imo.

But otherwise I don’t see a reason why I’d ever leave. We’ll see how this community handles China in the future, for both ourselves and the future of socialism I hope the CPC wont continue with this shitty timid conciliatory stance towards the west as the world continues to burn and the ropes tighten.

oh also the people dunking on people online for being sad about the election results. yeah kamala winning probably wouldn’t be better but assuming everyone who’s sad is a democrat is massively uncharitable

This is an extremely L take, you’re talking specificaly about the election results yeah? That already excludes people who are sad about both candidates being the same on issues like Gaza. If you already understood both candidates are shit the election itself shouldn’t make you any more sad then any other day during the past year of genocide for example.

To be sad about Trump winning means the actualy believe the mainstream rethoric, which means they’re not an ally or at best they’re still very far away from having a concrete view about current issues so their opinion is mostly worthless or at the very best just noise.

Its not uncharitable to say if you’re only sad now that you’re probably a shit lib that deserves to be dunked on. We’re not changing their minds, if we were capable of that then they’ve turned into a socialist or abandoned the dems at least when they saw any of the Gaza hospitals being bombed and not when orange man won the election.

Point is, even if you’re not necessarily a socialist but already abandoned the Dems following Oct 7th you’re not going to be particularly sad about Trump. Same on any other issue the dems refused to fight on.

Neolibs still want to preserve the “rules based order” in a more literal sense. Neocons want the American Empire and are not afraid to admit it. Neolibs also want it, but tend to believe this is achievable or even already achieved through the liberal world institutions and “globalization”(Marxist imperialism). Wars are not inherently good, despite being profitable, it must not be the first solution and/or it must be justified through these liberal institutions.

So in comparison, neolibs actualy believed in end of history, there are no more true enemies and everyone will eventualy accept the market or bend to economic interests e.g what they believed about China.

Neocons believe that is not enough or not yet and America must continue to fight their strategic enemies. They always saw China and Russia as key strategic enemies where the only solution is domination, they’re very open about continuing with the Cold war mentality despite Russia’s defeat.

When looking at a Trump government I think he wont be able to just impose his neocon idiot wishes without some pushback.

For example the current US military buildup against China is definitely a neocon initiative. Neolibs go along with it because they dare not confront the MIC but they also believe they can dominate China economicaly see CHIPS act, Yellen/Blinken going to China to threaten them with economic consequences and tell them they’re wrong. They believe they can outcompete China but first China must play “fair” i.e become a western style economy based on consumption.

Neocons instead want war and real containment no matter the cost. So Trump will have to deal with a lot of western CEOs and investors that understand a significant part of their profits come from China. Neolibs want to contain China but don’t necessarily agree with a full war, even more so US illegitimate aggression. Its why Taiwan is the “key”, its the bait.

To give a better example, Musk loves Trump but he will also go to China and praise China. Why?

His second trip to the country in less than a year included a meeting Sunday with Chinese Premier Li Qiang, who praised Tesla as a “successful model” for US-China collaboration.

Because he understands China was one of his biggest market. Neolibs don’t want to face the real consequences of a global war and global crisis. Money talks.

For neocons it doesn’t matter as much as building the American Empire, an eye for an eye as long as the US wins in Asia it will be worth it, they fear to be missing the opportunity.

There was no discussion lol. They discussed this among themselves only, this is a post facto announcement post.