I think that this then would fall under the points you made earlier about keeping a list of spaces we are actively working on spreading agitprop material, and then having reports back on how they went

A lot of thought went into this idea and I appreciate it. I am not 100% sure how possible that would be/the amount of work it would take, but it is certainly a good idea to help be ready for upcoming events. I will try to look further into this to gauge!

As for timing of [Major Event] Effortpost Megathreads in the future like the one I posted for the election, if it is something that can be anticipated and has a set date, there is no reason to not have that posted preemptively and ready to go. I hadn’t even considered that, so if that thread is one of the directions we decide to go in the future, I will be making sure it is up ahead of time so long as it meets the (TBD) criteria of major event.

I think your diseulogy idea is funny but would have to be very focused on actual analysis and not just shitting on somebody. Maybe an idea for when we are in a period of time of decades that nothing has happened and can give users a good outlet for effortposting and analysis.

Yep, I think im in the same camp regarding a companion post specifically only for deeper discussion of the news Megathread. No need to take away from the good things happening over there.

As for large news events, I suppose it’s a matter of figuring out what that threshold should be. I think any major election anywhere in the world probably fits the bill. Beyond that I have trouble gauging where the line should be drawn for something to be considered major enough because I am so autistic and news-poisoned that everything feels worth discussion

You mean like an archive style collection dedicated to individual topics?

That looks like the perfect amount of green onion for one bowl of egg noodle soup

All good ideas. I think we certainly have the ability to organize non-online action without risking being doxxed or something of the like. Standing good causes like food banks and Zapatista coffee, etc. are all good ideas. We could probably even boost the net amount of aid delivered by dropping a weekly aid request for very simple things like orderable refreshments for strikers on a picket line, which go a very long way and majorly boost morale, though I feel that this is something that belongs more in c/mutual_aid, especially with the part about trying to organize Hexbears to contribute actual labor.

An agitprop crossposting reference is definitely something we should consider. It would be easy to compile a list of left/left-adjacent communities to make sure Hexbear posts get delivered there in higher numbers.

A current events thread running parallel to the news Megathread should also be considered. Agitprop’s effectiveness really drops off if it isn’t being seen when these issues are being discussed in the first place and people are starting to form opinions.

I think your final two points can be combined to work more effectively. The “contest” can essentially be who has taking agitprop content from Hexbear and gotten the most engagement on it elsewhere, which also acts as a report back on its effectiveness and encourages spread of agitprop to wider reaching communities.

I really like the first half of this post and have thought a lot about it in the past. Because of our wealth of amazing users on this site we really do have all of the tools at our disposal to actually produce high quality agitprop for dissemination. My initial thoughts on this are that it’s something that could be run alongside the News Megathread in order to have ready-made agitprop for stories currently in the spotlight (both on Hexbear but also elsewhere)

Regarding AI, I’ll leave that up for community discussion and would like to see things remain civil. It can be a very divisive topic and I tend to find myself on the side of we have real people to produce real intelligence, while AI steals from others doing the same for the benefit of large companies who own the tech.

It’s very frustrating to watch it unfurl in real time when literally it’s so ubiquitous in leftist groups that it’s meme tier tip of the iceberg levels of understanding leftists, AND WE MAKE FUN OF IT ON HERE ALL OF THE TIME!!!

It’s true

Not as a bit but for real

I’m sorry, but as a mod on this site I feel like I have to say something that I don’t seem to see any other mods/admins saying:

The mod/admin team are never going to remediate relations with the general site user base if this post is indeed how things will be working moving forward. There is no self-crit at all regarding the main thing people are upset about, which is NOT closing the tanks, but that mods/admins get to voice their opinion on this site and what it should look like/how it should be run via executive action that is not available to the average site user.

I’m sorry to tell any of my fellow mods/admins this, but your experience as a mod/admin does not make your opinion inherently any more or less valuable in regards to what the site should look like than that of the average user. Yes, you may see more of what happens behind the scenes, lower quality/aggravating posts, etc. but that is something you took upon yourself as a gesture to the community you are a part of, not a leader of. Not thinking posts are high effort enough is your opinion. Thinking posts dunking on libs are boring is your opinion. Thinking Hexbear needs to change this way or that is your opinion. If you have a problem with things, you must act AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY and voice your opinion on necessary changes just like anybody else. You should not get to be a more privileged user than the average person here and go ahead and talk behind the scenes with other people who have the power to change the site and decide what needs to happen without user feedback. Mods/admins exist to enforce a site’s rules and act as maintainece, not to be a leading body of powerusers who determine what the site should look like and how it should be run. The reason there was so much pushback on these decisions is that they were never (and still haven’t been, for that matter) presented to the community as something to be discussed at all, and changes were made by executive decision.

The only power the average user has to voice their opinion on how the site should look is via posting, and that is the only way mods/admins should get to voice theirs. Acting otherwise is a classic leftist org blunder that cultivates a massively toxic culture of powerplayers and in-groups at the levers of power that leads to growing tension and eventually fractures both within the in-groups and between the in-groups and user base at large.

A whole host of other very important issues (notably transphobia, misogyny) have arisen as a result of the initial actions taken by the mod/admin team, and there is no reason they can’t/shouldn’t be addressed. That being said, the ignorance/arrogance of the mod/admin team of marching on forward after their wrongdoings have clearly been outlined is concerning and needs to be undone as soon as possible. The only thing worse than making a bad decision is committing to it once it’s well known that it went poorly.

Undo the changes, bring them up with the community just like any average user would have to, gain valuable feedback from them, and take action from there. To genuinely save face + demonstrate that this site is for its user base at large and not just for a few elite users who want it to be their pet project, this the only way forward.

How are we feeling about c/slophouse

As somebody who loves the taglines, this makes a lot of sense. It should be a toggle setting on accounts over a certain age maybe, that way you get a taste of the culture and intro to what some of them mean before you get met with some dumb liberal shit

I am a mod

Both are good but One Piece is 100x better than Naruto and I said what I said.

It needs to be an unamendable part of the Hexbear constitution. Never have these unilateral efforts gone smoothly for those implementing them or being subjected to them.

Like if something is deadass a major problem with the site, pitch you case for changing what is wrong. This site is full of good people who want it to constantly change for the better

Don’t worry, the solution to that problem is obviously to make people engage in the famously non cishet white male activity of writing a debatebro dissertation on why Elon Musk saying he should coup Bolivia is bad

Especially when you are not being forced to be the mod of a comm and can simply not engage with or even see the content VIA THE INTENTIONAL DESIGN OF THE SITE.

Feels like we just had a struggle session over somebody getting annoyed that when they jumped in the pool, they got wet.

Literally.

“We have to turn this into every other dead leftist forum because I, the true leftist, do not think it’s serious enough”

Ok mf then be serious. Where are your effortposts?

Actually wait yeah. I need every person involved in the discussion about making the site more serious to produce 2 effortposts they’re already made from their account