Good idea - if you also cap car speeds at 15mph

This is such a good episode. The mood from the very beginning is great, and it’s got a kind of tension that leads right up to the reveal of the Dalek. This is another reveal that really early on made me hate the “next time” trailers, because it interrupts your ability to emphasize with the unknown Metaltron being tortured. Watching it for the first time I knew what the Daleks were, so it didn’t bother me as much that it was being imprisoned and controlled - it’s a deadly killing machine. But that’s not why its in prison, being controlled, it’s there because Van Statten is a horrible human being.

Van Statten is a great character. It can be very easy to verge off into cartoon villain territory with his type, but here I think it got the tone of overly confident self assured rich person you love to hate just right. In 2000s, we thought that in the future they’d be in bunkers, hiding away doing their evil deeds behind the scenes. Instead, nowadays they’re just openly evil out for everyone to see. When the doctor and his assistant plane him towards the end of the episode, that makes for a very satisfying ending. (Van Statten owns “the internet” - I wonder if he got conned into buying a little black box with a blinking light on top?)

The way the doctor is written and directed in this episode is fantastic. It’s a complete role reversal from what we normally expect. Often the Dalek (and Rose) take the position of the caring emotional one, and the Doctor is consumed by hatred. It’s nice that we see more of the background of what makes 9 who he is, and that he finally gets some sort of absolution to move on a bit, all the better that it comes from a Dalek pointing out that he is capable of love again.

I felt that this episode was trying to push a kind of romance, or at least light infatuation, between Rose and Adam, which just bugs me to no end. Rose still has an interest in Mickey at this point, there’s a budding relationship (not really romantic at this point) with the doctor, and Adam is just a completely unlikeable character. He obviously knows that his boss is torturing this alien, and he goes along with it because he gets to play with cool gadgets and have his ego stroked. Rose has more chemistry with the Dalek in this ep than she does with Adam.

The Dalek itself is great. The gold redesign looks amazing and less plasticky than the white and blue of old. The CGI is pretty good too. The contrast between the broken dalek that can’t even do a full 360 with it’s eye stalk, and later having some glamour bullet time shots as it rotates it’s middle section all the way around is really cool. The direction of having some of the deaths happen off screen with screams echoing down a corridor, and the Dalek being smart enough to use water to electrocute hundreds of people at once really adds to the fear, because an episode of death after death can get a bit much, so the variation helps.

Really good episode, and it has a nice message driving throughout that you should question your instincts. Also it continues a running theme of RTD’s in doctor who that a lot of the problems that happen do so because of greed.

I’m pretty sure those guts are just instant noodles with green food dye :)

I wonder if they ran out of budget there

The character interactions in this one are really nice. Especially the doctor and Jackie, him being blunt and her being caring.

I think this part 2 is much better than part 1. its a bit more grounded on the characters, there’s a bit less of the fart jokes, but it’s still got some good action and comedy.

How terribly designed are those neck braces if they can transmit a massive electric shock over… presumably radio? still, cheap easily resolved cliffhangers are par for the course with DW

On dialogue - there are some great quips from the doctor in this episode. The dialogue from the slitheen is a bit cheesy - but it actually fits well considering they’re a rag tag bunch of criminals playing big bad.

The unit computer has “buffalo” as a password. Ugh. this does remind me the bbc had a series of flash games and one of them was this interface that you could play “hacking” into. that was fun. all we get from media tie ins these days is some funny gifs on social media, if we’re lucky.

The political play here is actually quite clever. If i can theorise, i would guess getting the earth to destroy itself with its own weapons would skirt around any shadow proclamation rules outlawing their behaviour. Allowing the slitheen to operate a bit more freely and profitably.

That harriet jones being the pm for 3 terms got retconned fairly quickly.

I enjoy this episode, though it certainly has its problems. I took notes as I was watching. Lots to say.

The sub-plot of Rose having vanished for a year is a really nice idea, especially as she just up and left without saying anything to anyone. It is a useful way to set up the tension with MR ickey. It’s a testament to his overall blandness that even when Rose comes back pretty much everyone forgets to tell him. Mickey in the tardis later gets a chance to flesh himself out a bit as what we would probably now call an open source intelligence guy. I think that the doctor works better when he’s got a smart entourage he can bounce off, whether it’s individuals like Mickey, SJS, or the modern unit crew with Kate. Mickey though never really felt particularly interesting as a character.

Some part of this episode have not aged well at all. The slaps (which the policeman present doesn’t even try to intercede in) and a remark later ‘you’re so gay’. I get that this is the way people spoke, but still… Other parts though still hits me the way it did when I first watched it - During the crash scene Murray Golds soundtrack is fantastic, and the visuals aren’t too bad considering how old this is.

The writing really gets the era right here - mid 00s, 24hr news, a few years after 9/11, after a major event this is exactly what people would be doing. The doctor as the one person in the room really paying attention while everyone else is chatting and gossiping is great. If this were rewritten for today, I wonder if everyone would be chatting, or if they’d all be shown doomscrolling instead.

Inside downing Street we met Harriet Jones for the first time. She seemed like such a grounded politician as a backbencher, it’s a shame she ended up going mad with power. Reminds me a bit of Kier Starmer - starts off fairly innocuous, just trying to do the right thing, and then faced with actual responsibility starts to go a bit too hard down on protectionism.

The fart Jokes begin as soon as we enter downing street, and as juvenile as they are, it is mildly funny to see the camera cut immediately afterwards to show the on duty security guard in the corner of the stairwell, unable to move away. This might be the only time I actually found it funny. A later scene in the cabinet office is one of the worst for fart jokes and it goes on too much here to be funny, and completely ruins the tone of what should be a horrific scene.

To this day I’m still not sure how the aliens managed to kill the prime minister and subdue the entire chain of command - if they had the resources and were able to do that the rest of the setup seems kind of unnecessary. Does the whole UK chain of command / succession really boil down to these three? We get some hints, particularly when the general tries to impose martial law as to how things ought to be working, but it doesn’t go anywhere. No deputy, no home sec, just straight to the sugar minister. And the cabinet we know are still available, they’re just waiting to be “airlifted in”, as if they wouldn’t all immediately be jostling to get in.

The doctor being apparently unaware this is humanity’s first contract moment is interesting : it’s either retconning; or the doctor who started coming to earth in the 60s hates spoilers and just wants to follow earth’s development in real time?

Rose getting the tardis key is different to how I remember watching this as a kid, I can now see its more like her getting to move into a new friends house rather than just access to a vehicle.

When Harriet encounters the open cabinet door as the invaders are leaving, we get my favourite pet peeve - an immensely secure area and they just leave the door unlocked and important documents lying on the table. Eyeroll.

In the hospital the pig reveal actually spooked me as a kid for some reason, it’s laughable now. Poor animal.

On the design of the slitheen - The skinsuit idea is a pretty neat concept, a good twist on the changeling invader concept. The obvious zip we see in some of the shots is a bit silly though, and inconsistent. When we finally see the aliens I think their designs are really impressive. It’s the first time we get a real big bad alien costume (after a few background ones in episode 2). The eyes are dead though, that’s the big thing I wish they had done differently.

The overly dramatic phone call from Jackie to the helpline is great. It makes no sense that sirens would be going if like that in some random room at downing Street, but it makes for a good TV shot, and is a decent tool in showing how important the doctor is.

When Rose realises she’s going to number 10 she seems elated. That one was always a bit weird to me - is that a place the average person dreams of visiting? I don’t feel it has quite the prestige that say a royal household, the white house, or the palace des Élysée has.

This episode has a “next time” teaser, and honestly kind of defeats the cliffhanger ending. I always hated those, I’m glad when they get bumped either to the end credits or off entirely.

As a one of episode of doctor who this one has a lot of problems. But, in the context of being the first two-parter of the revival, and watching it as a kid years ago, it stuck with me. I loved the juxtaposition of aliens against the mundane every day life that goes on, and the behind the scenes of what governments would do in scenarios like this. And I think it was a formative experience for the kinds of disaster film and scifi drama i like now - less focus on the death and chaos and more on the logistics and the how and the why. Re watching it there are some things that stick out in a bad way but overall its still an enjoyable watch.

Japan has 3 writing systems and this comic seems to be conflating Katakana and Kanji together as “stabby”, leaving Hiragana as “adorable”. All of them are (long ago) derived from chinese, but only the Kanji still look similar.

I would have introduced Chinese first, and then in the Japanese panel present the stabby and adorable ones both being attacked by flying contraptions. (And a few floating around the korean one, too)

Netflix’s short stint with FMV / chooe-your-own adventure games highlights a perfect case of difficult preservation - all the runtimes are closed source apps, all the data is streamed from a server, and all the logic is held on the server.

In theory (big caveat) with enough time, effort, and determination you could reverse engineer your way around even the worst Denuvo has to throw. For simple streamed content like images and sound you can always analog-hole your way around preserving content.

But for anything where the key thing you want to preserve, like logic, that depends entirely on a server somewhere existing, that’s a problem.

Honestly, “country of origin” will have straight lines drawn on a map that are so far removed from where the people who lived there originally considered their borders even that’s probably not pinning it down well enough.

I agree about the gelth - initially they seem able to inhabit dead bodies on their own, but then they need a conduit to come through, but then they aren’t able to stay in the bodies when there’s gas around them, which is a bit inconsistent.

I missed the first couple of episodes of this rewatch, so joining in here.

Compared to the newer episodes a lot of the direction in this one feels more like the classic series - more like a stage play than a typical TV drama, which fits the theme of the story well.

There’s lots of jokes sprinkled throughout this story, and it really works well with Christopher Eccleston. I missed that mad grin he does.

Acting - In the theatre, I did notice some of the bg extras not really running quite as fast from the ghost as they should have been, which was amusing. And the actors playing the reanimated dead bodies was really cheesy, felt less like an entity controlling them and more like they were playing stereotypical zombies. I did enjoy the portrayal of dickens as the sceptical and haunted artist.

The gelth needing the dead bodies because they’ve lost their own reminds me a bit of that voyager episode where the aliens take dead bodies to reuse them. It set up a nice conflict between Doctor and Rose - but after the tense conversation it doesn’t go anywhere, and an exploration of what it could mean is undermined by the twist that they’re evil. I didn’t really like the cgi, even considering it’s a couple decades old.

It’s not the best episode, but certainly not the worst. I think this might actually be the first time I’ve rewatched this episode since I saw it live when it aired.

Random bit I noticed at the end - they look at dickens through a viewscreen monitor on the Tardis console just before they leave. The Tardis often has futuristic looking interfaces in modern series, seeing a plain cctv camera view is very retro (and dare I say it seems more useful than a semi transparent screen with a bunch of circles for no good reason ;) )

I was mildly confused, as I suspect a lot of fans were, I don’t know if that quite constitutes “backlash”. Are there people really getting that militant about this?

This is why you keep a several hundred megabytes history file set to remember “forever”

fiercely confident of their own independence

In fairness, if you let the average cat out into nature it would be fine. Dump the average libertarian into nature and they wont last the night.

The retcon of Belinda’s history also bothered me. It kind of gave me those Moffat-era vibes, where women could go on fun, exciting adventures and all of that but eventually they’d settle down in the wife and/or mother role that represents the person they’re really supposed to be. Boo. I didn’t think RTD2 would echo Moffat like that and I’m as much disappointed that Ncuti Gatwa only had two seasons as that Varada Sethu is gone after just one.

This bugged me as well. I was very surprised in the last ep and the beginning of this one to see just how protective and loving Doctor and Belinda were being to poppy. But then by the end, only Belinda is the one that seems to care deeply for the child. The doctor is given a chance to make a farewell, but then he just leaves with (as I understood it) the implication that he is never going to come back and that he’s been replaced by a human dad. It just confuses me why any of that needed to happen.

I kind of enjoyed this, at least the first half.

On the first half, It was alright. The big thought I had was - if this whole Whoniverse thing doesn’t pan out, RTD and Bad Wolf would be great fit for doing a live action reboot of Captain Scarlet. A massive sci-fi weapons battery in the middle of a London disguised as a skyscraper is very spectrum.

• Using the time hotel’s doors was a great plot device to bridge from the last episode. It’s one of those times that make you go “well, why didn’t they use that big deus ex they had a few episodes ago…”. This time they remembered!
• The bone beasts were alright, but I feel like the explanation didn’t really make much sense, and surely they could have found a better name than “bone beasts”.
• The box that exists outside of time is a pretty scary concept, that you could end up stuck for eternity in a non-space, with no escape. I don’t know that I would have made the same choice given those circumstances.
• In the week between episodes I rewatched the old series serial which introduced omega. I didn’t really feel like the big bad we saw here was the same one. Omega, to me, seemed kind of stuck and abandoned and redeemable with a bit of work, here it was an eldritch bone beast that could speak.
• On seeing everything start to come back from the wish world, I had forgotten that rose hung out / worked at Unit, and seeing that she was basically denied out of existence is pretty blunt, but I am glad it was pointed out. The doctor’s new skirt dress was fantastic.

The “epilogue”, I guess you could call it, was not great. I think I would have enjoyed it most if they had wrapped it up after Ruby notices that poppy has disappeared. It would have been tragic, it would have been emotional, it would have had punch, it would have been a pretty clean ending - just sometimes you don’t get the happy one.

• I really don’t like that Gatwa only had 2 seasons, he should have been allowed more.
• Getting 13 in for a cameo was unexpected, and I quite liked the dig at it usually being 10 that turns up, but I don’t really get why she was there. The regen (?) into Rose(?) is weird, but very much RTD’s thing. There have been a LOT of cameos and references recently, and I feel like Doctor Who really shines best when it acts as a set of mostly independent sci-fi anthologies with maybe a little bit of overarching story. When it gets too up itself with the self referencing fanservice I am beginning to feel it weakens my enjoyment of it. The middle of this past season had the best episodes for this very reason.

Also, a thought that occurs as I type this - they had a Susan foreman reference not too long ago. She is established as being a descendant. But they’re sterile, so can’t have kids let alone grandkids? I know this is a timey wimey thing, and I really don’t want to encourage yet more cameos and self referencing, but surely this should have at least merited a mention. I really like the idea that you have a race of sterile people somehow trying to fix things, (I recently read The Old Axolotl, which touches on this concept) so why didn’t they do anything with it.

This is a fair point. If people demanded their money back when a film has bad audio, I wonder if that might incentivise the industry to care more about this.

This is a real pet annoyance of mine, and I have seeing apologist posts on the internet about it.

If the actors cant enunciate properly except when they’re shouting, that’s not adding realism, they’re doing bad acting.

If the sound engineers can’t get a good audio balance for anything except the loudest moment in a film, that’s not a limitation of technology/sound physics, they’re bad at mixing.

If the director can’t keep all of this in check and make a film that people can actually enjoy, that’s not artistic choice, they’ve made a bad film.

I’m surprised VLC fares that badly with CCs encoded this way. Usually it’s pretty good. I’m also now wondering if ffmpeg also shares the same problem

The skeleton walkers did initially give me vibes of the cybermen ghosts of 10’s run. They’re not quite there, but everyone can see and acknowledge them, and they seem to be bleeding in from another reality.