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@fediverse @PabloDiscobar @vaguerant
This is not how federation works. You only get the content from the people you follow. If you run a single user instance and you follow 5 people you only get the content from 5 people. If they’re all in the same server it can even be grouped as a single request to the shared inbox.
Meta can have 100M, 1B, 5B users it change nothing for rest of us. Unless one of the local users really want to follow a million of accounts.
@matthieu_xyz @fediverse @vaguerant @PabloDiscobar
If I use mastodon. I don’t need to signup or install anything. I can just get the content for free. They get minimal info about me (less metadata than in an email even!!) and I gave them no authorization to datamine anything! I’m also free from their terrible algorithm. It’s like all good content in my inbox at no cost.
(And OP is right. Posting from mastodon is a pain in the ass)
@fediverse
@vaguerant
@PabloDiscobar
If I install Threads I need to signup. To signup I need to sign their ToS and give up all my rights. Then I need to install an app that will spy on my phone and send them a ton of info about me. And private info, not just the content of what I post. And they can resell and datamine that info because I gave them the right to do it.
@fediverse
@rozno @SuperSpruce
Choosing a server is often the hardest step. That’s why you should send the signup page of your fav instance to your friends and not the official lemmy page.
@nostupidquestions
@zenithseeker
ActivityPub have supports for multiple type of objects, and actions on those objects. Like liking (or upvoting) a post.
But beside that, it’s just about the same. You can absolutely build a functioning bridge that would translate emails into ActivityPub and then subscribe to it from Lemmy instance. There are a lot of bridges (XMPP, Twitter mirrors, Nostr, etc.)
@zenithseeker
@nostupidquestions
ActivityPub have supports for multiple type of objects, and actions on those objects. Like liking (or upvoting) a post.
But beside that, it’s just about the same. You can absolutely build a functioning bridge that would translate emails into ActivityPub and then subscribe to it from Lemmy instance. There are a lot of bridges (XMPP, Twitter mirrors, Nostr, etc.)
@Bilbo_Hobbit @Citronnier @gumchain
Les gens aiment citer gmail (~15% du réseau email) qui rend la vie un peu difficile aux boite auto-hébergés, mais on est encore loin du monopole et la disparition du mail. Et XMPP qui a quasi-disparu, mais pas forcément à cause de Google talk, mais aussi parce que le format est vieux, n’a pas évolué et que d’autres alternatives on plus la quote (matrix).
@Bilbo_Hobbit @Citronnier @gumchain
Ça, j’y crois beaucoup moins. De 1, je vois pas en quoi ça les intéresse de miner des données sur 1.4M d’utilisateurs quand ils ont 2Md sur insta et 300M potentiels utilisateurs sur Twitter.
Et de 2, le EEE ça marche souvent pas. Microsoft (qui a inventé le concept avant de complètement l’abandonner) l’a testé avec IE, Word et même Java et globalement c’est que des échecs.
@gumchain @Bilbo_Hobbit
Enfin, c’est aussi un moyen de récupérer les 300M utilisateurs de Twitter (les 1.4M d’utilisateurs de mastodon ça les intéresse probablement pas).
@gumchain @Bilbo_Hobbit
Pour moi l’intérêt principal, c’est d’esquiver les loi anti-monopoles et de se préparer à l’EU Digital Markets Act qui impose “l’interopérabilité” aux géants du numérique. On parle surtout des chats instantannés, mais ça pourrait aussi concerner les réseaux sociaux.
L’autre intérêt c’est que les réseaux sociaux ont une date d’expiration. Facebook se fait ringardiser par insta qui se fait ringardiser par tiktok, donc c’est normal d’expérimenter de nouvelles choses
@thegiddystitcher @RedirectedPotato
Another con: You become an admin/moderator and have to keep up to date with the latest bad servers to defederate from and you’ll have to deal with all kind of bad posts yourself instead of relying on a moderation team.
@cedarmesa @c2h6
Diaspora is one of the oldest of the oldest. Much older than mastodon. They’re federated too, but not on the same network.
Mastodon and lemmy uses ActivityPub. (Mastodon used to run on OStatus, but then switched to ActivituPub later) Diaspora uses its own protocol and refuses to ever switch to a most recent one.
Some fediverse services however (friendica and hubzilla which are kinda facebook-like) are using multiple protocols and can federate with both mastodon and diaspora.
@Boingbong
Mastodon can do that. Lemmy not at the moment. But it’s a very needed features.
And hopefully not just users, but the transfer of an entire community should theoretically be possible. Like mods of !A@lemmy.A decided to migrate the community to !A@lemmy.B and all subscribers to the community are transferred. It is possible in principle
@Boingbong
Mastodon can do that. Lemmy not at the moment. But it’s a very needed features.
And hopefully not just users, but the transfer of an entire community should theoretically be possible. Like mods of !A@lemmy.A decided to migrate the community to !A@lemmy.B and all subscribers to the community are transferred. It is possible in principle
@programming
@WatTyler
There is a demo of an algorithmic timeline thingy for mastodon at https://fedifeed.herokuapp.com/ and I really really like how it has a bunch of sliders for fine-tuning. The time penalty in particular is very important.
Would be absolutely awesome to have the same on lemmy.
Edit: Lemmy doesn’t show my picture…
@le_saucisson_masque
Lorsque tu postes sur lemmy, il y au moins trois dictateurs bienveillants qui peuvent te censurer.
L’admin de là où t’as créé ton compte.
Le modo de la communauté où tu as posté.
L’admin de là où se trouve ta communauté.
Je suppose que les admins de là où se trouve les lecteurs peuvent te masquer, mais ça changera pas grand chose pour 95% du reste du réseau ça n’affectera qu’un nombre réduit de lecteurs qui se trouve sur ce server en particulier.
@ValueSubtracted
Instance users are only local users.
Community users include remote users who remotely subscribed to the community.
So the community users will always be higher than the number of instance users.
And it still doesn’t count lurkers like we who reply to a thread without subscribing.
@SuperIce @domage
Misskey is a Japanese twitter-like. It’s actually older than mastodon and very popular in Japan specifically. They have custom emoji reactions under posts, they have animation and advanced markdown, they can have cat ears on their profile pictures, THEY HAVE QUOTE REPOST, chat, advanced search features, etc.
Misskey have been forked multiple times (foudkey, calckey, etc.) and those forks are more popular in English-speaking communities.
@fediverse @Perfide @MoogleMaestro
The staff of automatic have confirmed multiple times on Twitter and Mastodon that they’re working on this for both Tumblr and wordpress. And many people offered their help, including the co-inventor of ActivityPub.
This IS happening. I don’t know when, but it’s coming.