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  • A post by @raduhossu (still not on fedi fwiw) on Xitter:

    3 Shaheds have hit Romanian (NATO)!

    I tweeted last night after receiving the near real-time images (first imagine) from a friend in Tulcea (Romania) that Izmail (Ukraine) is being hit by russians.

    The Ukrainian press picked up the images, asked the Ukrainian authorities if a drone had crashed on Romanian territory and they, at least on sources, confirmed it.

    During the day yesterday, several Romanian journalists went to the scene to investigate whether or not what the Ukrainians say is true. Well, guess what?

    It is true. I’ll be using the images from daylight from Romanian journalists: Don Dorel Alex Alex Costache Dragos Stoian. It’s Shahed-136 most likely. There are 3 that fell on Romanian territory.

    The government has not given any information about the fact that Romania’s territory was AGAIN hit (involuntarily?) by russian drones.

    The Romanian government is in an election election mode. Sile t on the subject. The Romanian President is absent, but would have wanted to be NATO Secretary General. The Deputy Secretary General of NATO, Mircea Geoană, who is on the election campaign, is also silent.

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  • You are seeing states do those things, and presuming (I’m guessing based on where you live) that those actions are therefore the actions of states. They’re not, they’re the actions of a community.

    They’re clearly state actions where I live, the organizations they do are politically represented, they get funds from the state budget, they function according to politically voted legislation etc.

    The same politicians that vote for them can also reallocate parts of the budget to and from the military, the police force or any other fields.

    We do have private initiatives as well, supported directly by the community with money, who govern themselves, who are responsible for every penny they spend, but they’re different from the state controlled entities. The legislators generally do not vote dedicated legislation for them, but for the category they fall into (e.g. non-government organization for that matter). You rarely see legislators adopting laws for one specific private entity, if ever when it comes to smaller such entities.

    Are you under the impression that the only alternative to “Modern Western State Governments” is “individuals work[ing] by themselves”?

    Anything that involves private initiative is individuals working for themselves. If it’s not voted by the elected officials, paid from taxpayer money, it’s called private initiative - so there is an individual/some individuals deciding the finance and governance and other sensitive issues of the organization themselves.

    I hate to break it to you, but states are just very large armed groups, the legitimacy of which is entirely determined by their strength of arms. […] Israel is a “legitimate” government because they have enough guns (and enough friends with guns) to force others to acknowledge them as such.

    That is the way the international system works, of course. But on the other hand, this legitimacy they are provided allows them to worry less about their security and spend their money on the actual social services needed for a state to function. There are, of course, rogue states (yes, you can safely call them that way as well), that choose to terrorize their people instead. But politically motivated violence, whichever side it is coming from, in a country that calls itself the leader of the free and democratic world, does not help in making them less likely to do so. Quite the contrary.


  • @t3rmit3 So political violence is justifiable when democracy is at risk, right. What happens if the side abolishing democracy decides that political violence can be justified for them too? How can you save democracy this way? We legitimate political violence in order to justify democracy? Will it still be a democracy if the elected candidate can be gunned down legitimately? What about if the candidate has the biggest chance of winning?

    And also, how can you justify democracy as the better option in front of non-democratic states that are also making use of political violence to repress their opponents? Don’t you think these countries would be more determined in their suppressions when they see that the good guys are also doing it?

    And last, but not least, does that freedom to self-determine as a group also involve becoming politically violent against your opponent? To which extent is this still a democracy and not a fight for power by all means?