For fuck’s sake, I’m so tired of this nonsensical oxymoron of “religious marxism”. Religious leftists are the theocracist equivalent of Frankfurters and SocDems at least, and even Nazbols/PatSocs.
i’m muslim, i organise whenever I can, i commit so much time to socialist causes, i’ve spent whole days reading theory - but because I pray salah i’m not a valid Marxist? who are you to tell religious people what their religions can and cannot mean?
Could you seriously lay off with this? Just because you were personally victimised by a religion doesn’t make you right in being a complete fucking asshole to everyone else. There are people with faith. get the fuck over it. Not a single socialist nation bans religion (Albania tried, and look how that worked out). There’s nothing revolutionary about being a jerk to literally 70% of the workers on the planet because you disagree with their spirituality, and there’s nothing materialist about saying Marxism is incompatible with religion. Get off your high horse and start working with people.
Anecdotally, I’ve found exponentially more religious people at mutual aid groups and protests than atheists, and we can work together no problem to help people regardless of whether I believe the same as them or not.
Edit: the most generous estimate is 750 million atheists worldwide, which is literally less than 10% of the population, though other studies show it at closer to 3% of the population, so imagine trying to alienate over 90% of the world and saying you stand for the people
Oh, yeah, and one many liberals are there? What an atrocious ad populum falacy, wanting to omit Dialectical Materialism in favor of Idealistic Reactionary rethoric.
Are you for fucking real? You legit think that 3% of the population gets to tell literally 97% of the population that they’re absolutely wrong and that is somehow democratic? Materialism has literally nothing to do with religion. It’s not some magic gotcha that invalidates people’s beliefs. Materialism examines the material world but has absolutely no bearing on the spiritual. No matter how much you think your personal minority gripe is the be all and end all of marxism, I tell you yet again that there is no AES that bans religion, because that is just fucking ridiculous and oppressive.
You don’t know more about how to run a revolution than the DPRK. You don’t know more than Cuba. You don’t know more than China. You don’t know more than 97% of the fucking planet, get your narcissism in check. I’m sorry that some religious people hurt you, but seriously, get over your shit and stop taking it out on everyone else in the fucking world
Edit: my tone was probably harsh here, but I’m pretty fed up with this. You spend all your time on here griping about religion like it’s your only personality trait. All I can say to you is good luck winning over the masses when you think literally 7.5 billion people are wrong and your enemies. When you position yourself against nearly all of humanity you might wonder if you’re the one in the wrong. You certainly don’t stand for them, and they won’t stand for you.
Idk trying to convince people to renounce their faith doesn’t seem right to me, all of my family is religious and religion plays a big role in their lives.
Religion is an ideology you like or not. History didn’t began in the Industrial Revolution, and religion IS a classist system too. Older and worse systems appeared before capitalism, such as feudalism and theocracy. Yet you seem to have forgot tons of Marxist observations regarding this.
Man… You need to understand that for most people religion is a part of their daily lives and completely rejecting it will leave us completely isolated, aren’t we supposed to appeal to the actual working classes here? Yeah well most of the working class, especially in the third world and exploited countries are mostly very religious and denouncing religion will be shooting yourself in the foot, just completely doesn’t make any sense. Do you honestly believe that a Christian or a Muslim cannot be a Marxist? Taking this position is in my opinion wrong and this is the exact opposite view we should be having when it comes to this.
The same fucking thing applies to capitalism!
It is a fundamental part of our lifes (we’re mostly trapped in),
Liberals believe in it.
There’s even people trying to convey liberalism with socialism.
And why aren’t we addressing how the most important and influential ramifications of Marxism, and Marxism itself, began with anti-theism too?
Religion is a fundamental part in the paper of classism, being believers the first victims of the sacerdotal CLASS.
For fuck’s sake, I’m so tired of this nonsensical oxymoron of “religious marxism”. Religious leftists are the theocracist equivalent of Frankfurters and SocDems at least, and even Nazbols/PatSocs.
okay “victim of religion”
Yeah, thanks. Sarcasm ain’t gonna change shit, tho.
i’m muslim, i organise whenever I can, i commit so much time to socialist causes, i’ve spent whole days reading theory - but because I pray salah i’m not a valid Marxist? who are you to tell religious people what their religions can and cannot mean?
Don’t worry, I won’t be the one now to stick in into your cognitive dissonance. By the way, what is better? Communism or God?
Could you seriously lay off with this? Just because you were personally victimised by a religion doesn’t make you right in being a complete fucking asshole to everyone else. There are people with faith. get the fuck over it. Not a single socialist nation bans religion (Albania tried, and look how that worked out). There’s nothing revolutionary about being a jerk to literally 70% of the workers on the planet because you disagree with their spirituality, and there’s nothing materialist about saying Marxism is incompatible with religion. Get off your high horse and start working with people.
Anecdotally, I’ve found exponentially more religious people at mutual aid groups and protests than atheists, and we can work together no problem to help people regardless of whether I believe the same as them or not.
Edit: the most generous estimate is 750 million atheists worldwide, which is literally less than 10% of the population, though other studies show it at closer to 3% of the population, so imagine trying to alienate over 90% of the world and saying you stand for the people
Oh, yeah, and one many liberals are there? What an atrocious ad populum falacy, wanting to omit Dialectical Materialism in favor of Idealistic Reactionary rethoric.
Are you for fucking real? You legit think that 3% of the population gets to tell literally 97% of the population that they’re absolutely wrong and that is somehow democratic? Materialism has literally nothing to do with religion. It’s not some magic gotcha that invalidates people’s beliefs. Materialism examines the material world but has absolutely no bearing on the spiritual. No matter how much you think your personal minority gripe is the be all and end all of marxism, I tell you yet again that there is no AES that bans religion, because that is just fucking ridiculous and oppressive.
You don’t know more about how to run a revolution than the DPRK. You don’t know more than Cuba. You don’t know more than China. You don’t know more than 97% of the fucking planet, get your narcissism in check. I’m sorry that some religious people hurt you, but seriously, get over your shit and stop taking it out on everyone else in the fucking world
Edit: my tone was probably harsh here, but I’m pretty fed up with this. You spend all your time on here griping about religion like it’s your only personality trait. All I can say to you is good luck winning over the masses when you think literally 7.5 billion people are wrong and your enemies. When you position yourself against nearly all of humanity you might wonder if you’re the one in the wrong. You certainly don’t stand for them, and they won’t stand for you.
is this a bot or a CIA plant? i can’t tell
Bad take
this is why we alienate such large portions of the working class lol
Idk trying to convince people to renounce their faith doesn’t seem right to me, all of my family is religious and religion plays a big role in their lives.
Religion is an ideology you like or not. History didn’t began in the Industrial Revolution, and religion IS a classist system too. Older and worse systems appeared before capitalism, such as feudalism and theocracy. Yet you seem to have forgot tons of Marxist observations regarding this.
Man… You need to understand that for most people religion is a part of their daily lives and completely rejecting it will leave us completely isolated, aren’t we supposed to appeal to the actual working classes here? Yeah well most of the working class, especially in the third world and exploited countries are mostly very religious and denouncing religion will be shooting yourself in the foot, just completely doesn’t make any sense. Do you honestly believe that a Christian or a Muslim cannot be a Marxist? Taking this position is in my opinion wrong and this is the exact opposite view we should be having when it comes to this.
The same fucking thing applies to capitalism! It is a fundamental part of our lifes (we’re mostly trapped in), Liberals believe in it. There’s even people trying to convey liberalism with socialism. And why aren’t we addressing how the most important and influential ramifications of Marxism, and Marxism itself, began with anti-theism too?
Religion is a fundamental part in the paper of classism, being believers the first victims of the sacerdotal CLASS.