Also offensive: pointing out that English speakers do not use the word “American” to refer to people from Latin America. The term in our language is universally used to refer to people from the country America.
Also offensive: pointing out that English speakers do not use the word “American” to refer to people from Latin America. The term in our language is universally used to refer to people from the country America.
Yup, that one. Numbers are not to be trusted, but estimates are usually around 500k speakers in Brazil alone. There’s also a bunch of them in Argentina, and even in Mexico (more specifically Chipilo, Puebla).
Under Brazilian territory Venetian is often called “Talian”, and sometimes partially creolised with Portuguese. The name is a misnomer though, the language has little to do with the Tuscan-based standard Italian.
There are a few other colonial languages among those 200, like Eastern Pomeranian (Low German; extinct in Europe after WW2), Hunsrik (German too, but in the Franconian group). And I wouldn’t be surprised if here in Paraná some Polish- or Silesian-speaking clusters survived.
Additionally, some folks down north use Kikongo (a Bantu language, brought to South America due to African slavery) as a liturgical language for their syncretic religion (candomblé).
That said the “bulk” of those 200 languages I mentioned are Amerindian languages indeed. Typically Macro-Ge and Tupi-Guarani families.
Yup, immigrants. Not just in Brazil; Latin America as a whole got a lot of them in the XIX and early XX centuries, and since Italy was in a ruckus a lot of them were from Italy. Mostly Gallo-Italic speakers in a “belt” between São Paulo and Buenos Aires. Both are tendencies though, and there are plenty exceptions - São Paulo city for example got also a bunch of Calabrians and Sicilians, and as I said there were Venetians even in Mexico.
Other common groups of immigrants in LatAm were Iberians, Germans, Levantine Arabs, Japanese. But the distribution changes heavily from place to place; for example here in Paraná we got quite a few Poles and even a few Ukrainians and Lithuanians, but up south in Chubut (Argentina) there were Welsh immigrants instead.
There’s !linguistics@mander.xyz for any topic involving language. [Disclaimer: I’m one of the mods there.]
That backtracks to the main subject: the community was originally in lemmy.ml. One of the reasons why I migrated it to mander.xyz was the notoriously poorly way that .ml admins enforce rules in their instance - with the straw that broke the camel’s back, for me, being !anime@lemmy.ml. (I wasn’t a mod there but I’m a weeb so…)
Now thinking, if I didn’t do so, I bet that I would enter in direct conflict with dessalines and cypherpunk. What if someone wanted to talk about the Uyghur language? Or surzhyk (mixed Ukrainian/Russian) varieties? Bloody hell, even Proto-Indo-European (the Late PIE homeland is right where the war is happening now). Even mentions of lavender linguistics (i.e. how queer people use language) would become a ticking bomb.
Ah yes, I completely forgot about the Japanese/Brazilian relation. I did have familiarity with it previously, though.
Interesting. I’ve never had an interest in anime. What happened with that community?
I know that’s one reasonably well-supported hypothesis, but I thought there were others with some reasonable support that place it further southeast, around Armenia and Georgia? But yeah, I’m a strong supporter of communities leaving ML. And LW, though that’s for different reasons. Thanks for the community rec though!
It’s a long story.
lemmy.ml defederated ani.social (an instance focused on anime and manga) under the false accusation that ani.social would host child sexual abuse material. And, at the same time, dessalines removed ani.social from the join-lemmy page. Eventually nutomic reviewed the join-lemmy change and reverted it, but both instances stayed defederated.
Some time later, an anime series called Mahou Shoujo Whatever was airing. For Western standards the series is nasty; I think that it showed 14yos in sexualised positions or crap like that, I didn’t watch it. But within Japanese standards it’s still not considered porn / hentai. Someone commented about that series in !anime@lemmy.ml, and the comment got deleted, under the claim that the comment violated rule 3 (no porn).
But then people started talking about a potential migration of !anime@lemmy.ml to ani.social to avoid situations like the above. Then shit went downhill, with the admins wrecking the discussion threads about the potential migration under bullshit claims like “linking to instance featuring pedo content” and “doxxing”. (I remember that a mod was forcibly removed, too.)
In the meantime, the very same ani.social instance was linked in the sidebar of !anime@lemmy.ml, one of lemmy.ml admins explicitly acknowledged it, and they never did anything about it.
And the same applies to “doxxing”. Back then I moderated !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml; and users there (incl. me) were often referring to Reddit’s CEO by his full name, and nickname, and the epithet “greedy pigboy”. “Curiously”, that is not doxxing for the standard of lemmy.ml admins, since they never took any action against it.
So note the pattern:
That’s a bit too much of double standards for my taste, and it shows that lemmy.ml has a hidden rule - “don’t discuss the emigration of lemmy.ml communities”. In the meantime I was already noticing issues with the admins in the !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml modlog, such as deleting any comment that might remotely cast two certain governments in a bad light. (Guess which ones.)
There’s also a really big community of Japanese descendants around Lima, Peru. To the point that they even formed a distinctive cuisine, called “nikkei” (lit. “second generation”).
Based on recent genetic studies, both hypotheses are correct. But they refer to different stages of the language:
To be frank such large time period makes me think that we shouldn’t even be referring to both languages by the same name, or trying to reconstruct them as it was one thing; that’s a lot like trying to reconstruct Classical Latin and 2025 Spanish as if they were the same thing, or perhaps Proto-Germanic and English. Perhaps that’s why the current reconstructions are such a mess.