• NastyNative
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    1 day ago

    We are not just believing propaganda anymore. Ukraine can either work to stop this war or keep it going with out US support. Good luck to them! Russia can say the same about the NATO and Ukraine but that wouldn’t fit the agenda.

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        So nothing to add? Wonder who is be propaganda slave!

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      You’re not just believing propaganda anymore. You’re also spreading it.

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        Yeah I spread facts not propaganda. Did NATO break its promise to Russia after Russia allowed democracy at its door step when Ukraine became a independent country?

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          Haha of course. An “oral agreement” that nobody has any record of. They called no takesies backsies, too!

          Here’s an actual promise that really was agreed to. Signed by Russia. In writing. You know, like what happens when countries actually agree to things in the real world and not in Russian propaganda la la land.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

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            You are a scum bag just like Zelensky! - Providing dirty links should get your account deleted! -

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      Oh, so we’re ‘not just believing propaganda anymore’—except for the part where you parrot Russia’s favorite talking points? Ukraine didn’t start this war; Russia did. Telling Ukraine to ‘work to stop it’ is like blaming a robbery victim for not handing over their wallet fast enough. If you’re done with propaganda, maybe start by questioning the one that excuses the actual aggressor.

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        When Ukraine gained independence, Russia’s understanding was that it would accept the emergence of democracy on its doorstep in exchange for assurances regarding security. Specifically, the agreement entailed that NATO would not expand beyond Germany. In the early 1990s and again in 2000, Russia sought to join NATO, only to be rebuffed. NATO, in turn, has often relied on portraying Russia as a threat to justify its military expenditures and equipment buildup. The conflict in Ukraine was sparked in large part by NATO’s eastward expansion, especially its support for Ukraine’s NATO aspirations and the subsequent military aid provided to Kyiv. To understand this complex geopolitical issue more fully, it is important to engage with historical sources rather than be swayed by biased narratives.

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            Its called a strategic win if russia would have allowed NATO in Ukraine and war breaks out the front lines will be with russian territory.

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          Why did they annex Crimea? Don’t want to next to NATO countries? Why not move deeper into your own country to distance yourself from them?

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            Would you want a naval base from your enemy at your door step?