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  • Lvxferre [he/him]
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    17 hours ago

    This would require acknowledging Israel as a state, which it is not.

    Israel is a government controlling a population and a territory. It is a state by definition. To claim otherwise is fucking stupid.

    And that’s central here. A state is an “it”; unlike human beings, it has no right to defend itself. And it should be dismantled once it harms actual people, just like Nazi Germany was.

    Demonstrated by the title of the posted article

    Yeah, just like article titles demonstrate English has no articles. Pfffft.

    Not a single person raises the question

    That’s why you totally weren’t banned for “racism”, as if you were targetting actual people instead of a genocidal power structure, right? Right??? Oh wait.

    The word “Israel” suffices

    This sounds exactly the same as

    “Since I’m too stubborn to avoid falling into the sort of trap nationalists love to set up, I’ll keep helping the Zionists and clueless muppets to equate «attacks against Israel» = «racism».”

    You might not be a Zionist but you’re certainly eager to contribute with them.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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      11 hours ago

      An occupation is not a state. If controlling an area and population with government would make something a state, the RSF in Sudan would be a state and Crimea would be transferred into Russia the moment it got occupied.

      Your comment is the definition of

      “This is hurting your cause - person against cause”

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        3 hours ago

        If controlling an area and population with government would make something a state, the RSF in Sudan would be a state

        “But what about the RSF?”

        That said, yes, the RSF is either a state already or really close to one.

        Crimea would be transferred into Russia the moment it got occupied.

        Crimea is disputed by two states and under effective control of one (Russia). “Congrats” for proving Russia is a state.

        Your comment is the definition of // “This is hurting your cause - person against cause

        Emphasis mine. I outright compared that crap with Nazi Germany, so stop lying / assuming / bullshitting that I would be against the cause of getting rid of it.

        That said if the expression “state of Israel” makes you so uncomfortable, you could use any other expression of your choice, as long as it leaves clear that you’re referring solely to the power structure and not the population.

        Unless you’d rather keep being the zionists’ little plaything in their language game, and actually help them to spread their idiotic and immoral “noooooo, people defending the Palestinians are Nazi” babble. Because that’s what you’re doing here.

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          3 hours ago

          You are out here recognizing the RSF and ISIS as states to defend Israel and think anyone will take you seriously?

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            3 hours ago

            to defend Israel

            I am not defending Israel. Please stop being a liar.

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                You recognize Israel thus you defend Israel.

                A state is an instrument of oppression dammit. To recognise “X is a state” is NOT the same as defending X.

                So, again, stop being a liar. (Actually it’s worse, you’re being a dumb fuck.)

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                  1 hour ago

                  Saying people need to recognize Israel to advance the Palestinia cause is defending Israel. Palestinians do not recognize Israel for a reason.

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                    1 hour ago

                    To pretend that the state is not there is simply not feasible. It’s wishful belief - this shit harms more than it helps.

                    And, again: if you really want to die in this weird hill there are other ways to refer to that power structure, as long as you make sure the zionists can’t distort your discourse from “it should be gone” into “they should be gone”.

                    Palestinians do not recognize Israel for a reason.

                    If this anyhow helped, we wouldn’t be discussing this. Nor there would be piles of civilian bodies in Gaza, murdered by the state of Israel.