• @electrodynamica
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    82 years ago

    Oh you want controversy do you?

    How about sex education? I’ll limit the scope to dogs and humans to make it easier to follow.

    The policy in most localities is 100% sterilization of all dogs that are not intentionally being bred. This is similar to abstinence only education for humans but is far more forceful (and has medical consequences).

    We all know that abstinence only education doesn’t work in humans. It in fact backfires and makes them more likely to fuck irresponsibly. The irony here is that it actually works in dogs.

    Simply teaching dogs about positive enthusiastic consent has a huge impact. The vast majority of dog pregnancies are actually rape. The female says “no” thousands of times before she is caught off guard and mounted by the rapey male who won’t take no for an answer. He even whines like a baby when she says no. He then has a knot to keep her in place til he cums even if she changes her mind.

    Teaching female self defense and male positive consent is 90% of the problem. If she rolls on her back she can’t be mounted. Most young bitches just simply need to be informed that saying no is an option. Most males simply need to be told their behavior is inappropriate and unauthorized. Dogs learn these lessons easily. Humans don’t.

    Then there’s the fact that dogs are only fertile for 3-6 weeks out of the year. People can’t be bothered with that so they force sterilization?

    Yet as humans in every aspect of society we keep the sexes separate year round for fear of sexual impropriety. All you need to do is keep problem dogs isolated during those 3-6 weeks.

    But no, 100% sterilization it is, and you’re a “bad owner” if you disagree.

    That’s to say nothing of all the cancers caused by sterilization. Cancer is the primary cause of death in sterilized dogs. And of course it is. Growth hormones are regulated by the reproductive organs. Cancer is a disease that can be characterized as “improper growth of cells”. Fuck with the regulators that prevent cancer and of course you will get cancer. Duh.

    • comfy
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      32 years ago

      That’s an interesting point. I’m curious as to how a person can teach that skill (rolling onto their back) to a dog while conveying the context of sexual self-defense. I recognize dogs are intelligent but there are obvious communication barriers that would make it hard to explain when to do it, and your argument relies on it being a skill that needs to be taught.

      As an aside, I (naīvely) think the sterilization policy is less about rape and more about breeding. Also, it depends on region as many countries have pet dogs and cats as introduced species which are dangerous to wildlife and potentially people, so them being able to breed unregulated is controversial.

      Of course, the debating the ethics of denying an animal the ability to reproduce, and of introducing a species purely for pet ownership are absolutely relevant, but I suppose for another post.

      • @electrodynamica
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        52 years ago

        I’m curious as to how a person can teach that skill (rolling onto their back) to a dog while conveying the context of sexual self-defense.

        It’s a natural instinct for most. They also kick with their hind legs, right in the dude’s balls. 😉

        It’s not so much training as reinforcement through praise. They have to know that you, the teacher/leader picked a side, and that the male’s behavior was bad, and the female’s behavior was good. That is very easy to communicate.

        As for those who don’t possess that natural instinct, they can learn by watching others. This is why socialization of females in heat is a far better (and more cost effective) way of preventing unwanted births than sterilization surgerys.

        • comfy
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          22 years ago

          It’s interesting you bring up socialization, I’m not used to seeing pets socialized except maybe a walk in public. Of course it seems so obvious how healthy that is when pointed out but I guess it’s not normalized at least where I am. (Honestly, if half the people treated children like they treat the pets they love, they would be in jail for abuse.)

          • @electrodynamica
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            32 years ago

            Yes, it’s especially true in my locality where there is actually a larger population of dogs than there is children. And the amount of money they spend on sterilization surgerys is insane. Then there’s the doggy jails. If they just created recreation centers and community training classes it would cost far less, be more effective, and oh yeah, actually be ehtical too.

    • @Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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      32 years ago

      This is a good one!

      In my country, it’s called “castration”, and I think that fits the term better, because what happens to cats and dogs is quite brutal. For male cats and dogs, the whole testicle is removed. That’s fucking awful. For female cats, the whole womb is removed. Sounds ridiculous, but that’s sadly “normal”.

      I had to search quite a while for a veterinary to “sterilize” my cats, which in my county means to simply snip the conduit. The very same that happens with a vasectomy. I had veterinaries shout at me for being a bad pet owner, one was even about to call the police. Apparently, people have very strong opinions when they are confronted with a possible alternative that they can’t immediately judge well enough for them to stay cool.

      However, I found a vet that did it. The cat is fine, and loves to fuck around. She has two guys from the neighborhood she enjoys. She actually also just chills with a partner. Just lying in the sun together, cuddling. It’s like a summer love story. Really cute, and I love seeing her being a natural cat.

      She can’t get pregnant anymore, and I kinda feel bad for it, because she didn’t choose that. I did that. However, she got pregnant once, and had 5 children, and had the experience of being a mother. That somehow makes it easier for me.

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      I assume you wrote b-i-t-c-h-e-s. This is a really good example of why automatic profanity filters are stupid. They are easily avoided, and you can’t use words in their original meaning anymore.

    • liwott
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      22 years ago

      Most young bitches just simply need to be informed that saying no is an option.

      Someone had to take that one out of its context