What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it. “Normies” will probably never use Mastodon or Lemmy but might use Threads, so being able to communicate with them while staying on my little community-ran Mastodon instance is a win for the fediverse in my book. And if somebody’s annoying or whatever, you can always block them, right? Can somebody clarify why people think everyone should automatically defederate with them and lose such a big userbase? I mean, I hate Facebook/Meta as much as the next guy, but more users are more users…
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it.
It’s because corporations will embrace, extend, and extinguish.
It doesn’t even have to be extinguishing. It’s bad enough if meta can reap the benefits of associating with FOSS (better privacy for example), while making their app the gateway to the fediverse. And of course that app will be spyware with social media on top. It’s like greenwashing.
Threads owned by Zuck, which has both a “for-profit” and “unethical” mindset. In my opinion this mindset isn’t fit for the fediverse in the place where it is now (people actually care about the community).
Users will always come, we don’t need papa Zuck for that.
Healthy communities grow naturally, and I feel like the fediverse community is healthy enough.
Somebody posted an article here a few days ago about the ways big corporations kill Open source software. The broad overview was essentially that they’ll adopt the standard, then expand on it to create a more feature rich walled garden. Then they axe the connections to the original protocols when they have critical mass, and begin the enshittification process. If meta is allowed to succeed in the Fediverse, it’s the first step to meta owning any worthwhile platforms in the Fediverse.
Nobody should want any corporate social platforms in the fediverse they spy on you sell your data to the highest bidder and ultimately all are basically like the corner drug dealer
They do have a profit motive, because meta is in competition with lemmy for people’s time and attention. The more attention/time/views meta gets, the better for them. So it is in their interest to find a way to create their own instance, make it the most popular one, and then use that popularity to shut out all other instances, effectively killing them.
Meta is a “for profit” company, so every move they make is for profit and planned with their shareholders/board of directors, to approve their moves. These people only see $$$, sad but true.
Allowing people and corporations with poor to no ethics considerations whose sole motive is profit to control everything isn’t change, it’s the default that the Fediverse is trying to get away from.
Nobody said anything about FB users. I have seen a bunch of people I follow on Twitter trying to move to Threads. And if I could just completely abandon Twitter and communicate with these people I follow via Mastodon, I’d rather choose for them to move there instead. And nobody’s making you talk to them if you don’t want to, right? We are talking about ~being able~ to talk to them, not having to.
Its that many people are convinced that Meta will EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). However we can’t just all defederate Meta from the Fediverse. We have to embrace them the same way they are embracing us. If they decide to try to kill us off, we will resist and stay united.
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it. “Normies” will probably never use Mastodon or Lemmy but might use Threads, so being able to communicate with them while staying on my little community-ran Mastodon instance is a win for the fediverse in my book. And if somebody’s annoying or whatever, you can always block them, right? Can somebody clarify why people think everyone should automatically defederate with them and lose such a big userbase? I mean, I hate Facebook/Meta as much as the next guy, but more users are more users…
It’s because corporations will embrace, extend, and extinguish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Allowing corporations to have any level of control will result in this place dying.
It doesn’t even have to be extinguishing. It’s bad enough if meta can reap the benefits of associating with FOSS (better privacy for example), while making their app the gateway to the fediverse. And of course that app will be spyware with social media on top. It’s like greenwashing.
Threads owned by Zuck, which has both a “for-profit” and “unethical” mindset. In my opinion this mindset isn’t fit for the fediverse in the place where it is now (people actually care about the community). Users will always come, we don’t need papa Zuck for that. Healthy communities grow naturally, and I feel like the fediverse community is healthy enough.
Somebody posted an article here a few days ago about the ways big corporations kill Open source software. The broad overview was essentially that they’ll adopt the standard, then expand on it to create a more feature rich walled garden. Then they axe the connections to the original protocols when they have critical mass, and begin the enshittification process. If meta is allowed to succeed in the Fediverse, it’s the first step to meta owning any worthwhile platforms in the Fediverse.
Nobody should want any corporate social platforms in the fediverse they spy on you sell your data to the highest bidder and ultimately all are basically like the corner drug dealer
All your fediverse data is public, they don’t need to join the fediverse or “spy” on you to get it
I’m sure there’s no profit motive for Meta to confederate.
They do have a profit motive, because meta is in competition with lemmy for people’s time and attention. The more attention/time/views meta gets, the better for them. So it is in their interest to find a way to create their own instance, make it the most popular one, and then use that popularity to shut out all other instances, effectively killing them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Meta is a “for profit” company, so every move they make is for profit and planned with their shareholders/board of directors, to approve their moves. These people only see $$$, sad but true.
So only people without profit motive can beat part of it… Change is scary I guess
Allowing people and corporations with poor to no ethics considerations whose sole motive is profit to control everything isn’t change, it’s the default that the Fediverse is trying to get away from.
Won’t someone think of the corporate investors that need to make money on my memes?
If I wanted to hear what people who use FB products had to say, I’d be on those platforms
Nobody said anything about FB users. I have seen a bunch of people I follow on Twitter trying to move to Threads. And if I could just completely abandon Twitter and communicate with these people I follow via Mastodon, I’d rather choose for them to move there instead. And nobody’s making you talk to them if you don’t want to, right? We are talking about ~being able~ to talk to them, not having to.
And I didn’t say anything about talking to them
Its that many people are convinced that Meta will EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). However we can’t just all defederate Meta from the Fediverse. We have to embrace them the same way they are embracing us. If they decide to try to kill us off, we will resist and stay united.