Fuck eating any meat (obviously) but consuming things live is the next level of fuck you.
Like what the fuck is the point? To be fucking gross? If you’re going to kill a living thing (and you shouldn’t even do that really unless it’s going to kill you) then do it fast.
I don’t care if it’s “just an oyster” that shit is a special kind of messed up.
I’m glad some of those assholes that eat live octopi choke to death. Sick fucks.
Intelligence is a kinda messed up metric for whether or not someone should have moral consideration. I suspect you probably mostly agree with that right? Like babies are not very smart but they suffer and we usually think hurting them is worse. Or if you had to give someone an electric shock or something it’s not like you’d line up everyone in a room in order of IQ or maze solving ability or something.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you leave octopuses alone but what does opening jars n shit have to do with whether or not eating is ok? The pertinent questions to me seem to be whether creatures feel pain and whether they want to live and I would assume that mammals, with their much more similar brains to us (being also mammals) would be the likeliest candidates for those traits.
Curious to hear your reasoning, and whether you disagree with me regarding intelligence (however determined) being a poor metric for right giving.
I think it’s because we don’t have good language for separating some things (in this case how something experiences/relates to pain) from intelligence so people just land there without a lot of critical thought behind it. I do like your example of lining people up by IQ, I think it helps highlight this.
I don’t want to have a go at the person I’m replying to, they appear at least partly aligned with me. The fact that they’re on hexbear suggests we probably agree on a few fundamental moral claims too (although tbh I think half of you would execute me as a reactionary but I suppose if we get there I’ll die… if not happy then hopeful?). I’m genuinely curious because I run into it so much.
Now with some chuddy people their heroes have actually lined people up on rubiks cube solving ability or whatever asinine test was popular at the time and killed those at one end. This is less popular among leftists though, so I’m a bit confused as to why you’d reach for it when considering non human animals after discarding it for human animals.
Don’t get me wrong, something stirs within me when I see a non human do something I understand as “clever” but also when I see a cow indicate to me that they’d like a spot scratched, or a possum run over and interpose herself between her nest and me willing to take on something relatively titanic to save children from an unknown threat. I’m not sure why indications of feeling or desire matter more when they’re more like work?
I wasn’t arguing that it was more valid, I think the example is useful because it highlights how ridiculous the premise is without making people work to step outside of the framework they are already familiar with.