• Deceptichum@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    8 months ago

    I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.

    It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.

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      8 months ago

      Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.

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        8 months ago

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      • Deceptichum@sh.itjust.worksOP
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        8 months ago

        Sometimes we don’t make excuses for enabling genocide, but I guess that moral and practical horror is a-okay to some.

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          8 months ago

          Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.

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            They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.

            Time for a third party, plain and simple.

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              If literal genocide cannot convince liberals to consider third parties, then I’m convinced they will never support third parties. This is the duopolies Sandy Hook moment. If you see Genocide A or Genocide B and don’t seek a third option, you will never seek a third option.

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              8 months ago

              Sure but that third party doesn’t exist so you knowingly letting an even worse option win thus enabling even more genocide just shows you didn’t really care about genocides in the first place

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      Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.

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        I’m sorry, but defending someone from criticism and saying their policies are super amazing isn’t supporting them?

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          Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.

          Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.