Edit: Downvoters please reply. For clarification, I am just arguing against the claim that climate change will “kill us all” in the literal sense.
Cold weather still kills way more people than hot weather. Warming has decreased the overall temperature-related deaths. 650,000 fewer people die per year than in the 80s and 90s. 18 million die per year from cold weather, 2.2 million from hot weather.
Interestingly, during the 2000-2019 period examined in the study, while heat-related deaths rose, deaths from cold exposure fell. And they decreased by a larger amount than the increase in heat-related fatalities. Overall, researchers estimated that approximately 650,000 fewer people worldwide died from temperature exposure during the 2000-2019 period than in the 1980s and 1990s.
World population has grown (4x) but natural disaster deaths have decreased to a fraction (less than 1/10th or less than 5,000 per year). This is because we are better prepared. A 40+x increase is required to reach 1920 levels per capita. And that 50,000 per year would still not be able to beat the 650,000 fewer people dying from temperature per year.
This is starting to reach the capitalist apologia end of climate change discussion. As long as we can prepare well enough, things won’t get that bad. Kill us all is stretch of course but we shouldn’t just downplay climate change and the disastrous conscequences it will have on the world and our society. Especially considering the people who are responsible for the majority of all pollution are not the people who will face the most direct consequences.
not the most well read dude, but my understanding is that as there is more energy in the atmosphere, there will be more unstable weather patterns - and will lead to crop failures.
this will most likely hit the global south and nations that are less developed (exploited nations such as the global south) harder than the developed nations. people migrating because they can’t live in the deadly heat, or not having enough food, or something about florida going underwater (iirc they won’t insure houses in florida anymore because of global warming and rising sea temperatures.)
edit i don’t think people will want to lay down and die from the inhospitable environment, they will probably move - i don’t think looking at the death toll and saying “see there are less deaths from the climate therefore climate change is not significant” is a good form of analysis, it seems like a bit of a kneejerk reaction, that needs more inspection - like quality of life, crop failures, if you can go outside without heatstroke, these things are gradually ramped up on a scale
I have some friends who live in Florida and, due to work, have to go on the news and say that although Florida is being hit by climate change that it’s still a good place to buy a home. But, privately, they all know that shit is going down and it’s a terrible place to purchase a home.
For any comrades in Florida who expect to live longer than a decade or two, don’t do it.
Changes in the climate might decrease yields, however CO2 concentration directly increases them. This should recover 60% to over 100% (wheat increased, soybean fully recovered) of the losses due to climate change depending on the crop from 2000-2080 according to NASA.
So if you take the 50% loss of corn due to lack of moisture stated in your report, recovered by 60%. It should be ~20% decrease (time period probably starts from 2020s in the report, so this calculation is off), while wheat will increase by 10% overall according to NASA.
Farmers may switch to the more productive crops to compensate.
I don’t mind taking the study you linked at face value, but I have to ask, taking a step back, why it matters that we don’t be as alarmist over climate change. You agree that it’s man-made and still a problem, from what I understand, but I don’t see a scenario where being alarmist about it to demande real, rapid, effective change is a problem and creates future issues. Less climate change can only be good, I would rather put a stop to temp increases over the next 5 years than slow temp increases in that same timespan, you know what I’m saying?
Edit: Downvoters please reply. For clarification, I am just arguing against the claim that climate change will “kill us all” in the literal sense.
Cold weather still kills way more people than hot weather. Warming has decreased the overall temperature-related deaths. 650,000 fewer people die per year than in the 80s and 90s. 18 million die per year from cold weather, 2.2 million from hot weather.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/07/19/excessive-summer-heat-can-kill-but-extreme-cold-causes-more-fatalities/?sh=135860881d88
World population has grown (4x) but natural disaster deaths have decreased to a fraction (less than 1/10th or less than 5,000 per year). This is because we are better prepared. A 40+x increase is required to reach 1920 levels per capita. And that 50,000 per year would still not be able to beat the 650,000 fewer people dying from temperature per year.
This is starting to reach the capitalist apologia end of climate change discussion. As long as we can prepare well enough, things won’t get that bad. Kill us all is stretch of course but we shouldn’t just downplay climate change and the disastrous conscequences it will have on the world and our society. Especially considering the people who are responsible for the majority of all pollution are not the people who will face the most direct consequences.
not the most well read dude, but my understanding is that as there is more energy in the atmosphere, there will be more unstable weather patterns - and will lead to crop failures.
this will most likely hit the global south and nations that are less developed (exploited nations such as the global south) harder than the developed nations. people migrating because they can’t live in the deadly heat, or not having enough food, or something about florida going underwater (iirc they won’t insure houses in florida anymore because of global warming and rising sea temperatures.)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-climate-change-impact-assessment-1.6964662#:~:text=By the 2080s%2C the report,average of about 16 days.
edit i don’t think people will want to lay down and die from the inhospitable environment, they will probably move - i don’t think looking at the death toll and saying “see there are less deaths from the climate therefore climate change is not significant” is a good form of analysis, it seems like a bit of a kneejerk reaction, that needs more inspection - like quality of life, crop failures, if you can go outside without heatstroke, these things are gradually ramped up on a scale
I have some friends who live in Florida and, due to work, have to go on the news and say that although Florida is being hit by climate change that it’s still a good place to buy a home. But, privately, they all know that shit is going down and it’s a terrible place to purchase a home.
For any comrades in Florida who expect to live longer than a decade or two, don’t do it.
Changes in the climate might decrease yields, however CO2 concentration directly increases them. This should recover 60% to over 100% (wheat increased, soybean fully recovered) of the losses due to climate change depending on the crop from 2000-2080 according to NASA.
So if you take the 50% loss of corn due to lack of moisture stated in your report, recovered by 60%. It should be ~20% decrease (time period probably starts from 2020s in the report, so this calculation is off), while wheat will increase by 10% overall according to NASA.
Farmers may switch to the more productive crops to compensate.
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops/
I don’t mind taking the study you linked at face value, but I have to ask, taking a step back, why it matters that we don’t be as alarmist over climate change. You agree that it’s man-made and still a problem, from what I understand, but I don’t see a scenario where being alarmist about it to demande real, rapid, effective change is a problem and creates future issues. Less climate change can only be good, I would rather put a stop to temp increases over the next 5 years than slow temp increases in that same timespan, you know what I’m saying?
Is your perspective that climate change is happening, but we shouldn’t be alarmist over its effects? Asking in good faith comrade.
Yes