• citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]@hexbear.netEnglish
    65·
    3 months ago

    material conditions don’t matter

    I am a communist

    Marxism-leninism has routinely been shown to not work.

    I do not argue for capitalism, I agree with Stalin

    I’m racist

    classic tankie argument

    it doesn’t matter what liberals were 100 years ago

    we agree with liberals

    liberals are just more mild versions of communists

    deeply unserious, incoherenti-love-not-thinking

  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    44·
    3 months ago

    Picturing Xi sneaking into an Uyghur village and running a back-alley black market. He opens up his coat, but instead of Rolexes it’s strips of bacon.

    • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      30·
      3 months ago

      Don’t forget a phalanx of PLA support armed with Salad Shooters.

      Zero to BLT in 1.79 seconds.

  • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    44·
    3 months ago

    This was one of our most fun libs in a while, they decided halfway through that they were a communist despite clearly barely even skimming the communist manifesto (let alone any other works of theory).

  • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    19·
    3 months ago

    Thoughts on the “genocide can be committed without killing anyone” line of thinking? I think hypothetically this is possible if you magically delete the balls and wombs of a whole people in an instant but in practice it just sounds absurd.

    • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      34·
      3 months ago

      Forced sterilization is a form of genocide as well, and not an uncommon one, I believed it happened a lot to native Americans in residential schools.

      • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        23·
        3 months ago

        Well yes. But this and the extermination of buffaloes as the other user pointed out were supplemental to a wide gamut atrocities one of which was straight up cold blooded murder of the indigenous people.

        The reason I ask in this context is that famously there is not one confirmed dead person in this purported Uyghur genocide. All we have are extremely dubious “missing” people from the West-run Uyghur Victim Database which was found to have some AI generated pictures in it.

        So yes theoretically I acknowledge that you could kill a people without killing individuals directly. But reality is different. There are certain factors like resistance effort from victims of genocide leading to deaths and often the callous barbarity of the genociders that make such a “clean” genocide with no spilt blood impossible.

        • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          24·
          3 months ago

          Oh absolutely, any forced sterilisation comes after massacres, it never just happens in a vacuum. Nothing about genocides happen in vacuum, except in Xinjiang, where Xi just randomly woke up one morning and felt like doing a genocide for no reason or benefit, but wanted it to be an invisible genocide, undetectable to all but the whitest of white supremacists (the people well know for opposing genocide)

    • PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      21·
      3 months ago

      It’s tricky, because there are definitely ways to erase a culture/civilization without mass killing. Combinations of displacement, the sterilization and resource disruption others mentioned, cultural suppression. Although obviously there’s a lot of gray area, especially with the cultural suppression aspect.

      However, there’s a difference between the sort of exacting, navel gazing definition we can come up with, and what the immediate reaction/assumption of the average person is when they hear, there’s a genocide going on over there. Which is to say, they think of the Shoah, genocide means concentration camps with gas chambers. So there’s a problem where, coming up with a broader definition on paper won’t change the reality that it will misrepresent what’s going on to the public.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      6·
      3 months ago

      I think what we’ve done around the world with depleted uranium and agent orange probably qualifies at least as an act of genocide. Literally fucking with people’s genes, geno-cide

      • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        I was actually thinking about this yesterday. The suffering that Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia have gone through for trying to decide their own destinies is heartbreaking. And they continue to quietly persevere past that.