Also, the US showed nothing but kindness to their enemies. amerikkka-clap

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    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      I think Musk’s three brain cells are saying in a counterexample where the USSR produced nukes first. The first successful atomic detonation in the USSR was all the way in 1949, which was 4 years after the Americans had theirs. So there was already a deterrent in place.

      Although the other counterexample you could say is that the USSR didn’t firebomb anyone, only the Allies and Nazis did that. Firebombing was just as bad if not worse than the atom bombs and the Soviets never used it as a show of force. In fact, the Soviets didn’t bomb anyone during WW2 because they didn’t have tactical bombing aircraft until after the war.

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    the US poured capital into Europe and Japan both to weaken communist movements and to create markets for American goods, there was no altruism involved

  • I was pretty dead set against using nukes before reading this, but hear me out.

    what if we launch Elon into space in some kind of spaceship, and then we go around with each country taking turns to try and hit his ship with a nuke. the propulsion of his ship would be controlled by the next country in line to take a ahot, but it’s ultimately not very maneuverable and there are overrides to keep it in orbit.

    whichever country succeeds, they receive the title of Most Hilarious Nation. and each year, we do this to the richest person on the planet.

    so, this is a way to get rid of nukes and absolutely irredeemable shitheads, the enemies of all humanity.

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    What makes him think that America didn’t subjugate the rest of the world? What does he think is going on right now?

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    Fun fact, Stalin was the leader of the USSR during the Korean war, when the USSR had nukes.

    Maybe this was the only thing that deterred the US, the only country ever to have used nukes in war, from general MacArthur’s well documented nuclear genocide planning.

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    He’s wrong. The U.S. was full of genocidal maniacs in the military leadership and Presidency throughout the cold war. In fact, War criminal Eisenhower threatened to nuke China in the first Taiwan Straight Crises, which led to China building their own nuclear weapons to avoid being pushed around, making the world that much less safe. If you really want to know how bad things were, the leaked Pentagon papers is a good place to start.

    It’s a miracle that we didn’t have a world-ending nuclear holocaust.

    • SwitchyWitchyandBitchy [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      He’s not just wrong, he’s wrong on almost every level imaginable. From claiming Stalin couldn’t have nuked us, to assuming that the US helped Germany and Japan out of empathy.

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    Translation: “My yakubian demon brain keeps telling me to nuke the entire species to extinction because I think it would be funny, but I’m just intelligent enough to realize China has nukes and will blow me up too.”

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    My understanding is the USA could have produced maybe 9 nuclear bombs per year in 1945 and some of them would possibly be duds. The plutonium production just wasn’t there.

    America’s strength after slaughtering innocent people in Japan was no other country quite knew how much plutonium America could produce, or how many bombs had been manufactured. The two dropped on Japan were the only two America had. Eisenhower had wanted to immediately nuke Moscow, but what would that have really done? I don’t know if that would have resulted in complete American domination, it probably would have led to complete global panic, including panic within the USA. There would have been immediate widespread terrorism throughout the world probably. It’s hard for me to imagine what kind of world that would have been because of how unstable it would be. No one would trust the USA. One of the western countries like the UK or France or something might try assassinating Truman, or stealing nuke design documents. It wouldn’t have been normal. Whatever was left of the USSR would have possibly tried a hot war with the US, and how would that have gone down? Imagine exactly one US city getting firebombed. Imagine San Fransisco getting bombed. Would Americans in 1945 just deal with it because there’s a war now? I doubt it.

    This also makes no sense because Stalin did rebuild eastern Europe after WW2.

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    He’s a capitalist, he should know buying out competition would be preferable to destroying them and letting the capital go to waste

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      Lighting all of the capital on earth aflame but it’s ok because the utility I personally receive from this is greater than the amount every other person on earth would be able to achieve by continuing to live.