Eh, it’s not a big deal. I rocked Ubuntu LTS for quite a while, largely because I got used to screwing with a ton of Ubuntu servers at work for years. Use what you like. We may engage in some spirited distro dick-measuring from time to time, but it’s ultimately up to you, what you enjoy, and how you want to use it. Make it as bloated or minimal as you want it. It’s your box.
Pop doesn’t have immediate support for new games, Windows does. I just want to download a game play it. It gets even more complicated if you want to play online with friends or mod a game, on Windows it’s all one click away.
That was not the case for starfield. I finished my PC in time to play that game on launch and it didn’t work on pop. It took a couple more days before I switched to windows but it worked on windows fine
I’m struggling to get back into using Debian again but like, with every issue it makes me look at my windows partition more and more. Like it’s significantly better then it was 10 years ago and I love it’s speed but, it’s reliability and compatibility could definitly improve
my issues in the past 2 weeks consist of proton(just in general has a memory leak that eventually frame drops but I expect it’s just a proton thing) , bluetooth(fixed for now), multi-monitor/desktop has screens randomly shutdown on sleep and screen timeout requiring a force enable/disable of the monitor and audio sharing across applications just generally doesn’t like working. I’m expecting it’s an issue with pulse audio or something but it’s still annoying.
I have given up getting proper channel control on my headset, it detects both channels but the other channel won’t let me edit volume, I’ve had to manually make an audio profile in order to get it to even detect the headset in the first place.
I can’t use Wayland period, unless I manually start the window manager and even when it does work it artifacts all over the place and is generally unenjoyable due to it. I’ve fallen back to X11 which works tremendously better but will occasionally just decide to not load a desktop environment.
Most of these are easy workarounds to get working again, but the point is you shouldn’t have to do workaround over workaround in order to get a system to operate for you.
Like I said it’s still tremendously better than how it was when I used it 10 years ago but it’s things like that that make it so it’s really hard to recommend taking the plunge for your everyday user
I’ve been running Debian for… Longer than I care to think about, and other distributions before that. And Debian is still the top in stability, what it doesn’t do well - and I feel like may be what’s happening here - is running the latest and greatest. Or even running the fairly recent. Or even the somewhat recent…
Anyway, what I use Debian for is a (very) stable desktop and most of my servers. For anything more cutting (not even bleeding) edge, a different distribution may serve you better. If I had to guess, Nvidia GPU? If so, I’m fairly certain Mint has recently updated to support the latest and it was working well for some folks. I have all AMD GPUs (except for a box running windows + Nvidia for some work stuff).
Yeah I know that Debian isn’t really meant for the latest and the greatest and I agree I think it is what I’m running into, it’s just sadly I tried Linux Mint prior because that’s the system I had originally started with 15 years ago and I loved it, but I had an even worse time getting that system running then I did getting debian running and one of my friends was hard pressing me to use plasma anyway and there wasn’t a good way of getting plasma to work on mint, so I decided to go with it.
I may end up dropping Debian I’m just at that point where I put so much effort into getting the system to run again and most everything has been fixed, but I’m also at that State where every time I think I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve gotten things fixed, something else weird that I would have never expected to be a problem pops up. I do need to just let the system go, just sucks to waste all that effort
As for the specs yeah it is NVIDIA I got burned by AMD pretty hard after years of loving AMD, I still have an AMD CPU(R 5 5600x) as I’m in love with their processor division, but I’m running an Nvidia GPU(4070) now cuz AMD’s GPU division needs a lot of polish. Love the raw output but stability under high load was just not there. I moved my AMD GPU to the rack where GPU demand is less and it’s not crashing all the time now.
If I ever take the rack apart again I may put the card back in to see how it works with the new system but overall I’m happy with the state of the system it’s just annoying at times
Thank you, hope everything runs stable for you as well!
Similar, but the reverse for me (except a machine for work with dual adas). Though I had a spattering of AMD during that time, those always worked for me. Still have a 270x doing it’s duty!
Random thought, have you tried LMDE? It’s the Debian edition of Mint, I thought it was cleaner (though to be fair, I didn’t use it much, it was an install for someone else).
Give Pop a try. It’s the least fussy Linux distro I’ve ever used. I’m going on year 4 with the same install, without ever breaking it once, which is a new record for me.
I might, last I knew it was super unstable but that was a long time ago, I just don’t want to have to go through another reinstall, already reinstalled once recently to switch off mint
I get that. I’ve been using Arch on my laptop and have wanted to switch my gaming desktop over to Arch for a couple years now, but it already works well and I don’t want to go through the entire installation & set-up process again. It’s been on my rainy day list for all this time, but I always find better uses for my time. In your scenario it sounds like your current setup might not work well for you though, so perhaps just bite the bullet and go for it. If you back your home directory up somewhere then you can just copy that back over to the new home directory and that’ll at least save all your documents, pictures, and that sort of stuff.
That’s not fair!
There’s also Mint for grandmas and Pop for gamers.
(silently slinks away with Win10 and Kubuntu dual boot…)
Or, you know, people like me who just want something simple to run a few things like a web browser and Discord and don’t want to fuck around a lot.
Christ… Linux snobs helped keep me away from Linux for years. Now I have to deal with Linux flavor snobs…
Linux: The Flavor Wars are great for popcorn.
I… I…
I prefer GUI tools.
There. I said it.
I’m deeply embarrased for my Ubuntu 2204. 😅
Eh, it’s not a big deal. I rocked Ubuntu LTS for quite a while, largely because I got used to screwing with a ton of Ubuntu servers at work for years. Use what you like. We may engage in some spirited distro dick-measuring from time to time, but it’s ultimately up to you, what you enjoy, and how you want to use it. Make it as bloated or minimal as you want it. It’s your box.
Yeah well that’s exactly the reason. Most of these Terraform devops agents are ubuntu lts 😅
If you like ancient things use Slackware
Pop doesn’t have immediate support for new games, Windows does. I just want to download a game play it. It gets even more complicated if you want to play online with friends or mod a game, on Windows it’s all one click away.
If it’s on Steam then it’s immediately supported on Pop.
That was not the case for starfield. I finished my PC in time to play that game on launch and it didn’t work on pop. It took a couple more days before I switched to windows but it worked on windows fine
Interesting. I haven’t encountered any issues on Pop through Steam, including Steam VR.
The game itself had a lot of technical problems on release but it left a bad taste in my mouth and if it happened once it can happen again
What if I made a new distro that combined all 3 to capture that tech savvy, gaming grandma market?
Don’t forget openSUSE tumbleweed. There are dozens of us. Dozens!!
I’m struggling to get back into using Debian again but like, with every issue it makes me look at my windows partition more and more. Like it’s significantly better then it was 10 years ago and I love it’s speed but, it’s reliability and compatibility could definitly improve
I’m curious what you’re running into with Debian that would make you say it’s not reliable…
I have Debian installs that have been continuously running for years (sans long power outages and such).
my issues in the past 2 weeks consist of proton(just in general has a memory leak that eventually frame drops but I expect it’s just a proton thing) , bluetooth(fixed for now), multi-monitor/desktop has screens randomly shutdown on sleep and screen timeout requiring a force enable/disable of the monitor and audio sharing across applications just generally doesn’t like working. I’m expecting it’s an issue with pulse audio or something but it’s still annoying.
I have given up getting proper channel control on my headset, it detects both channels but the other channel won’t let me edit volume, I’ve had to manually make an audio profile in order to get it to even detect the headset in the first place.
I can’t use Wayland period, unless I manually start the window manager and even when it does work it artifacts all over the place and is generally unenjoyable due to it. I’ve fallen back to X11 which works tremendously better but will occasionally just decide to not load a desktop environment.
Most of these are easy workarounds to get working again, but the point is you shouldn’t have to do workaround over workaround in order to get a system to operate for you.
Like I said it’s still tremendously better than how it was when I used it 10 years ago but it’s things like that that make it so it’s really hard to recommend taking the plunge for your everyday user
What’s the hardware youve got going on?
I’ve been running Debian for… Longer than I care to think about, and other distributions before that. And Debian is still the top in stability, what it doesn’t do well - and I feel like may be what’s happening here - is running the latest and greatest. Or even running the fairly recent. Or even the somewhat recent…
Anyway, what I use Debian for is a (very) stable desktop and most of my servers. For anything more cutting (not even bleeding) edge, a different distribution may serve you better. If I had to guess, Nvidia GPU? If so, I’m fairly certain Mint has recently updated to support the latest and it was working well for some folks. I have all AMD GPUs (except for a box running windows + Nvidia for some work stuff).
In any case, good luck!
Yeah I know that Debian isn’t really meant for the latest and the greatest and I agree I think it is what I’m running into, it’s just sadly I tried Linux Mint prior because that’s the system I had originally started with 15 years ago and I loved it, but I had an even worse time getting that system running then I did getting debian running and one of my friends was hard pressing me to use plasma anyway and there wasn’t a good way of getting plasma to work on mint, so I decided to go with it.
I may end up dropping Debian I’m just at that point where I put so much effort into getting the system to run again and most everything has been fixed, but I’m also at that State where every time I think I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve gotten things fixed, something else weird that I would have never expected to be a problem pops up. I do need to just let the system go, just sucks to waste all that effort
As for the specs yeah it is NVIDIA I got burned by AMD pretty hard after years of loving AMD, I still have an AMD CPU(R 5 5600x) as I’m in love with their processor division, but I’m running an Nvidia GPU(4070) now cuz AMD’s GPU division needs a lot of polish. Love the raw output but stability under high load was just not there. I moved my AMD GPU to the rack where GPU demand is less and it’s not crashing all the time now.
If I ever take the rack apart again I may put the card back in to see how it works with the new system but overall I’m happy with the state of the system it’s just annoying at times
Thank you, hope everything runs stable for you as well!
Similar, but the reverse for me (except a machine for work with dual adas). Though I had a spattering of AMD during that time, those always worked for me. Still have a 270x doing it’s duty!
Random thought, have you tried LMDE? It’s the Debian edition of Mint, I thought it was cleaner (though to be fair, I didn’t use it much, it was an install for someone else).
Give Pop a try. It’s the least fussy Linux distro I’ve ever used. I’m going on year 4 with the same install, without ever breaking it once, which is a new record for me.
I might, last I knew it was super unstable but that was a long time ago, I just don’t want to have to go through another reinstall, already reinstalled once recently to switch off mint
I get that. I’ve been using Arch on my laptop and have wanted to switch my gaming desktop over to Arch for a couple years now, but it already works well and I don’t want to go through the entire installation & set-up process again. It’s been on my rainy day list for all this time, but I always find better uses for my time. In your scenario it sounds like your current setup might not work well for you though, so perhaps just bite the bullet and go for it. If you back your home directory up somewhere then you can just copy that back over to the new home directory and that’ll at least save all your documents, pictures, and that sort of stuff.