• TheGyattsMustBeCrazy [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    As a counterpoint everything can still get worse under Trump. He has promised to deport all anti-Israel protestors who are even legal immigrants, nationalize abortion bans, pull the same bullshit nationally that DeSantis pulled statewide in Florida by erasing curricula that creates awareness of slavery, and probably even ramp up US troop deployments to Israel. There is nothing that says things cannot get much worse and Trump won’t come up with even more new bad shit for any Democrat successor to cowardly continue. You can roll off a bed of spikes right into an acid bath.

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      How is he gonna pass those laws? What judge is gonna back him that won’t be opposed by another? If a convicted Trump wins, Republicans are fucked electorally everywhere besides maybe Florida and Texas

      Dems won’t back him, the PMCs won’t back him, the media won’t back him, Europe won’t back him, how is he gonna finesse himself into passing all those dictatorial laws if most of the organs of state are gnashing their teeth at the idea of him just being in office?

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        1. Trump signed more executive orders than any president in history, both before and after he had a Dem congress.
        2. He already got a ton of lifetime appointments of lackey yes-man judges embedded throughout the US appellate court system during his term, on top of getting a 6-3 Supreme Court conservative majority, and they can all overturn any legal challenges to his policies. The organs of the state are mostly already indebted to him and unelected so however Republicans fare electorally he gets to pass a good amount of his policies.
        3. Bush did not notify congress when he declared war, and Trump would not either if he wanted to go to war with Mexico and China.
        4. Trump has the overwhelming backing of military members and police forces, something like 70-80%, who will either carry out his policies or not enforce challenges to his policies.
        5. Republicans are absolutely not fucked electorally everywhere. They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans, and Trump has a floor of at least 30% support generally represented by petit bourgeoisie tyrants–same as the Nazis did when they got to carry out everything they wanted in Germany.
        6. Europe did not back the Iraq war either, and Europe is doing worse now than it was then and more beholden to US economic power.
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          Do you even know how racist your username is? That movie is a racist caricature of African village life that whitewashes south african apartheid and you’re in here trying to go to bat for Joe fucking Biden?

          bruh-moment

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          He already got a ton of lifetime appointments of lackey yes-man judges embedded throughout the US appellate court system during his term

          Ah yes the greatest enemy of the Palestinian resistance, the US appellate court system, which is such an ally right now, but will surely fall to evil if Trump returns to power

          The organs of the state are mostly already indebted to him and unelected so however Republicans fare electorally he gets to pass a good amount of his policies.

          Yeah remember when Trump took over the government in Jan 6, 2021 and has ruled the last 4 years and was able to avoid a conviction by a court system he has in his pockets

          Bush did not notify congress when he declared war, and Trump would not either if he wanted to go to war with Mexico and China.

          Why are you astral projecting all the way back to the Bush era, maybe you should stay in the present and acknowledge the literal mountains of munitions and arms Biden has sent to Israel without congressional approval, it’s a little more relevant

          Trump has the overwhelming backing of military members and police forces, something like 70-80%, who will either carry out his policies or not enforce challenges to his policies.

          Yes I remember the great US-Iran War of 2017-2021, shame the US military follows Trump and his lackeys in every aspect

          They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans

          You’re just describing Republican default programming that they perform regardless of whether a Republican or a Dem is in office

          Europe did not back the Iraq war either, and Europe is doing worse now than it was then and more beholden to US economic power.

          Yes Europe will follow Trump in every aspect, there will be no pushback, no blowback whatsoever, his incompetence and unpopularity will translate to him somehow strengthening the US grasp on Europe, a very reasonable take attached to reality

          You know I think your problem is that you seem to only exist in the years 2017, 2020 and sometimes 2003, maybe you should recognize this is 2024 and realize what has happened the last four years, Trump is not always gonna be there to define your politics, sometimes you have acknowledge there are other players in the world besides HIM cheeto-man

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            Ah yes the greatest enemy of the Palestinian resistance, the US appellate court system, which is such an ally right now, but will surely fall to evil if Trump returns to power

            We were talking about his socially conservative domestic policies that he would have more easily upheld and you are pretending we were talking about Palestine to have a leg to stand on.

            Yeah remember when Trump took over the government in Jan 6, 2021 and has ruled the last 4 years and was able to avoid a conviction by a court system he has in his pockets

            Him not being able to overturn an election doesn’t preclude him from being able to stop overturns of his laws when elected. The point is he will attempt to pass new laws nationalizing abortion bans and lgbtq oppression, that he is put into a position to do that and trample over the weak Democrats rather than letting Dems be weak at a standstill.

            Yes I remember the great US-Iran War of 2017-2021, shame the US military follows Trump and his lackeys in every aspect

            But Trump didn’t want to go to war then. The point is if he wanted to go to war without congressional approval he would be met with less resistance from military brass than Biden purely for being a Republican. It’s not that he will be Trump but that he will be a Republican that produces the added risk.

            You’re just describing Republican default programming that they perform regardless of whether a Republican or a Dem is in office

            Of course, but I was arguing against the claim that Trump would lose all states except Texas and Florida if convicted, a claim that I know you don’t believe.

            Yes Europe will follow Trump in every aspect, there will be no pushback, no blowback whatsoever, his incompetence and unpopularity will translate to him somehow strengthening the US grasp on Europe, a very reasonable take attached to reality

            Why do you have to argue against things I did not say, if you had convincing arguments against what I did say? I never said there would be no blowback whatsoever, you are the one detaching from reality for claiming I did. Europe could push back during the Iraq War from a better negotiating position than they can now due to a worse current economy now. Trump’s incompetence and unpopularity will be a blip against the fact that he has the reins of US military and economic might.

            maybe you should recognize this is 2024 and realize what has happened the last four years

            This is as stupid as “This is the most important election of our lifetime” as a saying, in that if I asked you to give specifics on how being in 2024 would make Trump any less capable increased harm than he had been during his term, you would not say anything salient.

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              We were talking about his socially conservative domestic policies that he would have more easily upheld and you are pretending we were talking about Palestine to have a leg to stand on.

              We’ve been talking about Palestine from the start, but stay coping

              Him not being able to overturn an election doesn’t preclude him from being able to stop overturns of his laws when elected. The point is he will attempt to pass new laws nationalizing abortion bans and lgbtq oppression, that he is put into a position to do that and trample over the weak Democrats rather than letting Dems be weak at a standstill.

              And why weren’t those laws the first time around at the height of his power when even dem media softened on him in the first half of his term, it’s almost like there was robust resistance to his nonsense both politically and institutionally, but I guess recognizing that reality would fly in the face of your delusion about the unstoppable god emperor Trump

              But Trump didn’t want to go to war then

              He asked the military for options to attack, they give him the facts of what would happen and he declined to attack, which flies in the face of your assertion that he would decalre war on half the Middle East, did you forgot what claim you were supposed to be making lmao?

              Of course, but I was arguing against the claim that Trump would lose all states except Texas and Florida if convicted, a claim that I know you don’t believe.

              My claim is Republicans would lose locally, statewide, and in city elections in every state besides the strongholds of Texas and Florida, you do realize that involves numerical gains and loses at different levels of scale, that could still leave Republicans in overall charge of many red state governorships and state governments, but with a weakened position internally while indeed losing many other states overall, it’s not a binary like in the general you dumbass, I didn’t say every fuckin state beside Texas and Florida is gonna turn solid New York-style blue if Trump wins, do you know anything about electoral politics outside presidential rat races?

              Trump’s incompetence and unpopularity will be a blip against the fact that he has the reins of US military and economic might.

              This nonsense right here is precisely why I mocked and characterized your take as “no pushback, no blowback” because that is what you’re asserting, even if you don’t realize it, either you’re ignoring or are unaware of the fact of just how unpopular Trump is, not just with the public of Europe, but crucially the political class of Europe, he is persona non grata in terms of European statecraft and it doesn’t matter how many economic screws the US tightens on European taxpayers, the political class is insulated and will make their displeasure known in serious ways the US establishment can’t ignore

              But instead you want to pretend Trump is a political genius who’ll somehow (despite his unpopularity in the circles of power) bulldoze his way into becoming the Caesar of the American empire, like do you hear yourself, the motherfucker was convicted four days ago and you’re over here acting like he’s gonna have an ironclad mandate to rule

              This is as stupid as “This is the most important election of our lifetime” as a saying

              Thank you for clarifying that you situate genocide and elections in the same category in your head, real enlightening as to what really motivates you

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          They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans

          Democrats should do this when they have power. Instead they give away several Congressional seats with redrawn maps in places like New York.

          This is how I know Dems aren’t serious about anything they say. They don’t actually want to crush the Republicans.

          But you know what they DO spend a lot of effort stopping? Third parties.