An unprecedented nearly 5,000 migrants have died at sea in the first five months of 2024 trying to reach the Spanish Canary Islands, according to a report released by migration rights group Walking Borders on Wednesday.
Between Jan. 1 and May 31, 4,808 people died on the Atlantic voyage to the Canaries after departing from Morocco, Mauritania, Senegal and Gambia, making it the deadliest route between Africa and Spain, with 95% of migrant deaths, according to the group.
Arrivals to the archipelago in that period soared five times to over 16,500 from a year ago, Interior Ministry data showed.
I have not seen the TV you have seen. If there are “plenty of first hand videos,” you can provide one.
Yes, I know this is your claim. Feel free to provide actual evidence for it beyond telling me that anecdotal videos exist but only on TV shows I haven’t seen at your leisure.
I’ve watched YouTubers who film and interview for example the u.s. southern border migrants the vast majority like 95% will say they cross for money and opportunity, occasionally they’ll say because political persecution or communism or civil war or whatever. They never look malnourished or anything. The article you linked to says 120 million are displaced but links about 15 million to war. Which you claim they are migrating because people around them are dying which isn’t too true. So this brings us to our next problem. Should they stay in their own country and fight their own damn problems? Should another country do it for sudan? Should the u.s. arm a stabilizing militia in sudan and aid them in the liberation with thousand pound freedom bombs? If migration is such a problem?
For one, that is totally anecdotal. YouTubers can interview whoever they want and edit and present those interviews however they want.
Secondly, displacement is always a life-or-death matter. Do you think being homeless in a rich country like America is easily survivable? Now imagine it in an African country.
There are various different channels and people who film and interview people illegally crossing. I’ve just never seen a malnourished group of illegal migrants on any news platform. It’s just not common at all. Ive even just now tried finding it and I can’t. The vast majority wear new clothes and new shoes. Which leads me to imagine it’s not all that hard surviving where they come from. They just want more new shoes and clothes and more soda to gulp in their fat stomachs.
Again, anecdotal. YouTube videos and news channels show you what they want to show you.
Well you have not showed me a single crap. I only know what I know I can’t know what I don’t. And I’ve tried looking for what I don’t and didn’t find it, as I said.
Sounds like a very faith-based outlook on life.
Nah you spend enough time on the internet go look. I don’t have every TV show I ever watched recorded and categorised. I doubt anything I show you will change your mind so why bother? Economic gain is clearly a documented reason. People burning their passport is clearly documented. All these young men coming over must be so much more desperate than everyone else right? Otherwise why would it be just them? If you are open to your pre conceived notions being wrong go look, if you are going to keep them anyway no point me wasting my time.
That’s not how it works. It’s not my job to prove you aren’t lying.
Then you can show this clear documentation. Again, it’s not my job to prove you aren’t lying.
You’re the one that said they are all coming over because everyone around them is dying.
Go prove everyone coming into Europe illegally is because it isn’t safe for then to be anywhere else.
I did not use the word ‘all’ or the word ‘everyone.’ That would definitely be a lie.
Now, you have claimed that there is plenty of video and clear documentation. This is your last chance to provide them before your comments get deleted for violating the misinformation rule (rule 6).
Lack of evidence isn’t misinformation. You being ignorant isn’t misinformation. If someone has been reported by the news and I mention it. It isn’t misinformation.
So if they are coming over because they are dying… You then imply through a sarcastic means that no one would come over for anything less than life or death.
So what is it? Are you saying people would come over for less or wouldn’t? If they would come over for less maybe they would come over for what? Money?
It’s kinda sad that when pressed in a reality you don’t agree with you are going to abuse your power and silence me just because you don’t want to be wrong.
You’re really not worth this because I don’t think anything will change and the comment will still probably get deleted. But at least it will amuse me.
https://www.cfr.org/article/europes-migration-dilemma
“Europe is also a magnet for migrants seeking better economic opportunities”
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2021/12/20/deliberate-destruction-of-identity-documents
If they refugees and not looking for money why they need to destroy passports?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66132875
“More than 80% of the group are unaccompanied minors, aged under 18. Many of the boys had started their journeys years earlier, when they left home hoping to make money to send back to their families.”
There you go :) proved it’s not misinformation.
I don’t have the opportunity to go through video archives now so you can either take my first hand account I seen them and linked with the news articles giving the same information or I’ll say now that I don’t have video evidence at hand, just the articles
I would appreciate you honouring me with taking the time to show how people are coming only to avoid death and nothing less? As you made out.
Edit: here is another
https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/10/canary-islands-sees-surge-of-migrant-arrivals-via-west-african-route
“They probably heard that they then have a guarantee of achieving their goal: to get a residence permit, a work permit, training or, above all, work.”
Thank you for actually providing something approaching evidence for your claims. Of course, your claims discount the fact that those families themselves will die if that money isn’t earned, so it’s still a life-or-death situation, but at least you backed up your claim rather than just stated it as if it were true.
I have no idea why you think destroying a passport has any relevance to anything though. You’ve brought it up more than once as if it has to do with economic migration.
Sorry could you provide evidence that people are coming over for life or death situations please? Do you not hold yourself to the same standard as others? Your comments look like misinformation from my side.
Economic migrants aren’t refugees. If you burn your passport you can claim to be a refugee. There was reports of people flying from Pakistan to north Africa destroying their passports and travelling to Europe illegally for monetary reasons, not because of life and death.
And no I’m not going to go find that for you because I have already proven my word and I’m waiting for you to do the same. If this comment and this comment alone needs proving or it will get labeled as misinformation then I’m not going to waste my time on it. If you don’t trust and and don’t want to check me, delete it.
I literally gave you evidence in my first response with the DW article, which you apparently didn’t read.