Don’t threaten me with a good time
The idea that he might not is rather off-putting
This goes to show how hard it is to put a rich whiteorange? man in prison. The whole system failed at every turn and there’s STILL the chance he might become president again…ain’t that something?
Who would win in a three way fight to the death between 45, meatball ron, and little piss baby?
USA.
Click bait. We’ve heard this for ages. Wake me up when things actually happen, until then stop giving media who keep him front and center the ad clicks.
Yep, this is sooo stupid. They will not jail a former president, even the Dems in power now wouldn’t want that, as much as they’re against the red team they’re all in the elite team and arresting one of their own and jailing them would mean the rest are vulnerable. Shits not going to happen.
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You do not want a civil war in this country, the majority of the military is made up of one side, and the majority of firearms are also held by one side. It would not turn out like a vast majority of liberals think.
Edit: someone has pointed out that this sounds like I’m part of the right wing group, but I’m pointing out moreso that the majority of the military and gun owners in this country are conservatives. Not trying to make some statement of who would win, but pointing out that it wouldn’t be pretty at all.
The military is not going to revolt against the US for Trump if he is convicted. Get off this right wing fantasy. It will never happen.
That’s not what they said, context matters.
They’re saying we should not want or hope for any kind of civil war of any kind; meaning not limited to Trump, any triggers in the future.
The military itself does not often or have to align up with the majority or to the ethnics that we believe they should abide to.
In other words, a civil war does not guarantee anything; it can backfire horribly wrong on anyone thinking that it would spur some kind of a positive thing. It can just as well turn US into a Nazi-state easily for an example.
Yep, thanks for clarifying it. I hear it from a lot of liberals and even from Biden acting like a civil war would be easily won by the “good guys” side. It doesn’t work like that at all.
Where did I say it would? I was pointing out the fact that the majority of the military are not liberal leaning people.
Get your head out of the sand, a civil war in this country would not go well for one side. FFS you’re neighbors with people you actively hate because of their political beliefs…do you think a bomb isn’t going to level your home as well when those start falling?
PS, I’m a liberal, I just am not a delusional one, and I am a strong 2A supporter. So you can fuck off with the right wing shit.
Calm down there man. I am not a right winger, and apparently I mistakenly took your comment out of context. The overwhelmingly majority of the time online that I see someone saying the military is one sided, they are referring to it being for the right. The structure of your sentence makes it sound like a caution or possibly a threat that the military will back the right. Based on the downvotes you’re getting, I apparently am not the only taking it this way.
I absolutely agree a civil war would be devastating, but I don’t see it happening. My take is once Trump is convicted the media will finally feel they have the freedom to make their separation they’ve been saying they wanted to do in private for years, but have been too scared to make.
I am a gun owning liberal who is against the NRA.
All good, sorry for the hostility, anytime I try and speak logic in political threads I end up getting called a Nazi or right wing or something. I don’t see trump getting convicted. As much as the dem elites hate him, he’s still part of the elite club and they can’t be prosecuting their own.
He knows everything, this one!
Very enlightening comment, you got any more Socrates?
No, Adolf, not after I looked over your recent comments.
My fear is that it’s one of those situations where the system won’t want to admit that it’s so weak and flawed that it almost let a racist cretin overthrow our government.
Unfortunately that’s the more likely outcome here. No sitting or former president has ever done time. Grant being the exception for speeding in a wagon, and even that is doubtable and doesn’t have much to back it up as factual.
When you’re so cynical that you can’t seriously process reality anymore.
Oh yeah - you’re talking about that cabal of elites who prey on small children in the basement of a pizza restaurant right (it sounds stupid when he said it and it sounds stupid when you said it).
Talk to a lawyer and ask how long you can prolong a parking ticket if you happen to have a few million in the bank - let alone one of the most complicated conspiracies of lying to the federal govt the country has ever seen.
“may” “might” “could” “soon” “impending” etc…
We’ve been seeing this for 6 years. At this rate I think it’s more likely he ‘may’ succumb to his decades-long suicide by cheeseburger before he faces any actual consequences for his crimes.
Either way it’ll be a good day for the world.
Except he’s actually on trial now for multiple felonies.
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Next may 20th, although he’ll try to delay that.
He can’t with the documents case without losing his appointed judge in his corner.
He’s been eating his food and Eugenia Cooney’s food for many years now. Poor girl has got to be starving.
One can hope
I’m just thinking about all the QAnon conspiracy theories that are gonna bloom when he dies. They’ll never accept it, they’ll just go crazier.
True, they’re so far gone they can never come back to reality. But who cares? Some of them will act out and land in jail or worse. The majority will just keep writing text on the internet and if you don’t engage you will never have to hear from them again.
Ribbit
May the grass on his grave never be able to grow from the amount of people that piss there.
The only problem with pissing on Trump’s grave is… eventually you run out of piss.
It’s okay, we can make more, it’s a simple recipe.
I’ve got a fridge full of beer, should be set for a while
Oh it will happen for sure
I will be doing my part
Yeah, and I “may win” the lottery.
If I win the mega millions, I promise to give you a million dollars lol.
I hope he gets what he deserves
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What are you talking about? From the first peek at him you can see his an alpha male in top condition!
Woah, dude, that kind of graphic violence has no place in this community!
Strike a deal?!
You insight violence. You try to take over the Capitol with your army of maggots. You steal nuclear secrets. You are a puppet for Putin and after all that the government is offering up a goddamn deal?!?
He should be stripped of his fancy suit, forced to put on prison orange and his mug shot should be plastered all over the news. There should be no deal for a crime lord. The fact that it might even happen, just proves how much some people in government just don;t get the seriousness of this situation. That entire family needs to be taken down. Start with his kids and finish it by throwing Don into prison for treason. In fact prison is better than traitors deserve.
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Absolutely. I was banned from Reddit once for even suggesting this though. Not even for saying that we should do it… for simply pointing out what we used to do to traitors.
Reddit’s ban system is part of why I’m here. Got banned from sub for some bullshit reason. Months later I forgot. Tried to post under new account… sitewide ban. Essentially some belly lint eating idiot banned my primary email from reddit forever lol. All they have to do is not let you post in that sub ever again. But yeah that stupidity is characteristic of how they handle everything.
Your story has happened to a ton of other people.
They don’t care about banning folks because as a social media site all they care about are numbers. Facebook’s stock was rocked a while back when its member count went down. Reddit’s number go up because people who get banned usually just start a new account. To Reddit management, that now means they have 2 isers when they try to sell ad space. It’s all a big scam because they are trying to drive up their numbers for their upcoming IPO.
I just don’t know how Lemmy works with bans and stuff.
One of my first posts on here was one where I hoped that Lemmy moved to a temporary-only ban system. Except for egregious cases (endless spam, etc), ban someone for 6 or 12 hours and that’s it. By that time most people have cooled off and most threads have died down by then. If the person was trying to be a troll, the ship has passed, and people’s attention have moved to the next hot topic.
Very good points I hadn’t considered. I should think though they’d be best served not perma-banning that email address in those regards. Simply filter out any posts I try to make to that sub, and if I really wanted to post to that sub THEN I would make a new email, and new reddit account. That would yield two accounts.
I’m so sick of Reddit BS. I just wish some of the more esoteric subs here had more traffic because they either don’t exist at all, or they’re as good as dead.
Me too.
In this case, I don’t want execution. I want rotting in jail. Solitairy in a supermax would be the best.
I’m still trying to feel out what Lemmy is like in terms of rules and mod intervention into things.
He should be stripped of his fancy suit
Ok not to be too facetious but he has really bad suits.
They might be tacky by today’s tastes, but they are definitely not cheap or low quality.
You’d think they’d fit better.
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Grimace
Law doesn’t work like that for the rich.
Sounds good to me
Seriously. First thing I said when I read that is I hope so.
You know, I don’t know if I want him dead in prison or squealing like a stuck pig more. I’m inclined towards Team Sellout on an intellectual level, but his corpse slumped in a concrete box has a certain visceral appeal.
Who is he going to squeal on? He’s the top target.
“It was all Mike Pence’s idea.”
I believe the world doesn’t care but everyone wants him gone and away from our lives.
I think that every day until I realize 1/3 of the population would still vote for him without a second thought. It’s been far beyond sad and pitiable for years now.
Now it’s simply malicious and a direct threat to every single one of our lives. The other 2/3rds need to start treating it as such.
If it’s only a third, he loses!
Only if the other two thirds actually vote.
1/3 doesn’t vote, so it comes out looking like 50/50 in the polls.
The culling of Trump voters during the pandemic and the rise of Gen Z and Gen Alpha voters who are sick of this shit will hopefully tilt the scales in favor of Biden. I would genuinely worry if Biden died and Harris took over, though.
By the way, since this is Kbin and not Reddit, fuck the Trump voters who died because they were too stupid to take precautions during the pandemic. We’re all better off without you. Fewer potential Wal-Mart shooters as far as I’m concerned.
We’re all better off without you. Fewer potential Wal-Mart shooters as far as I’m concerned.
I just wish they hadn’t taken out so many innocent people in the process. I attended 3 funerals because of the virus and a friend of mine is now a brain damaged shell of what he once was. Some reason the latter bothers me more. Maybe because I have to just sit there and hear him start screaming about groomers while gently leading him back to “have you thought about going back to work?”. I miss him.
Another 20% will vote for him even with a second thought juat to own the libs, so it will be close at the polls.
Or they’ll just vote for anyone the GOP runs.
That will be happen because he is in jail, not because he struck a deal. There is no deal to strike at this point on the documents case. He had a chance to give them back.
Oh, there’s always a deal, at least for him. The rules do not apply evenly to start with, and even though he’s not that rich, he’s still part of the aristocracy.
Even though he broke all sorts of laws that contain the words “betrayed your nation to foreign adversaries”, started a sloppy coup last time he lost an election, and basically bragged about it in between perjuring himself, the best solution for everyone is for him to quietly fade into irrelevance.
It’s always better not to make a martyr if you can help it, it just isn’t worth it
Plus, the cruelest punishment I can think of is letting him use up the last couple years of his charismatic energy out of the public eye, so when he inevitably comes back he’d reveal himself to be the rambling dementia patient he’s been for a while.
And I don’t mean that as an insult - read his speeches. His delivery is amazing. Take that away and just read them (especially from the most recent ones), and even if you realized he was spewing word salad it’s still shocking
He needs the Napolean treatment – exile and blockaded.
While it isn’t really feasible to drop him off on an unnamed tropical island and leave him there, just sticking him in a prison cell and cutting off his access to the media (both traditional and social) is how you end a tyrant. You demonstrate to anyone still watching that the tyrant is powerless, and then you let them rot away and die alone.
Execute them, and you create a martyr. Let them go, pardon them, go light on the prison sentence, and you just signed up for another insurrection in a few years.
He needs the Napolean treatment – exile and blockaded.
Napoleon was a genius of military operations. He had plenty of flaws, but he was on another level from the subject of this discussion.
With CNN playing pure opinion pieces on him 24/7. And he has a smartphone… with no data or wifi connection so he can’t use it, except to fuss and moan that he can’t reply with his latest hot-take on the current news.
What I’d like to see is him taking the easy way out, if you get my drift. You know, take an early retirement with his wife Ivanka. Spend the rest of eternity at his golf course.
Your terms are acceptable.
I hate myself for what inhuman things I’d be able to morally excuse if they happened to Trump
He’s a danger to every living being on the planet. See the new GOP climate proposal?
No moral excuses needed.
This is such a stupid and irresponsible article.
First, Trump has to be found guilty.
Second, he has to be found guilty before the elections.
Third, he has to lose the election (which is more or less a toss-up), because if he wins the election, he’ll pardon himself on all federal charges.
Fourth, even if all of that other shit happens, he has to be ordered to report to jail immediately after sentencing, without waiting for an appeal that will certainly be attempted.
This relies on so many things happening in just the right order that it’s functionally speculation.
If Putin “accidentally” hits a NATO target while trying to strike Ukraine, and if NATO responds in kind, and if Putin reacts to NATO’s response by launching nuclear weapons, and if NATO countries respond by launching a full-scale nuclear attach on Russia, then the world will have global thermonuclear war and humanity will have solved human-created climate change via nuclear winter! Yeah, it’s all possible, but it’s not probable.
Let’s throw some more logs on this fire….
Donald Trump has been charged with 37 criminal counts covering seven different violations of federal law
The election is nov 2024
The trial starts in august 2023
There are at least 10 other candidates running for republican
And this pardon would only apply to a federal conviction while Trump is facing charges in both state and federal courts.
The NYS charges are a joke. Yes, it’s a crime, but it’s also the kind of thing that would normally get pled out to the level of a parking ticket if it was a one-off thing. Which this appears to be. (One-off, in this case, meaning that they don’t have multiple instances to charge him with.) It looks political, because it probably is. Jail time is incredibly unlikely, even if the case wraps prior to the election.
Fani Willis here in GA will have a pretty solid case, assuming that the grand jury indicts (which is probable). But that case will probably get bumped in favor of the federal charges, and would be unlikely to go to trial, and be concluded prior to the election. And if Trump wins prior to the trial being concluded, then a conviction won’t matter. Yeah, he can’t pardon himself from state charges, but he’s not going to prison while he’s in office.
It will be interesting what happens if Trump primaries during the trial, gets picked up for the Republican nomination, then gets convicted and sent to prison. Does it just go to the #2 in the primaries? Will the right galvanize behind their second choice? Will a bunch of Forever Trumpers be upset enough to just not vote? With Trump out of the race, will the Left have enough momentum without Trump as the villain to vote against (yeah, I get the alternative is DeSantis, who is not exactly popular with anyone who doesn’t think Romney is a Leftist)?
Should be interesting if he ends up convicted.
he has to lose the election (which is more or less a toss-up)
I don’t see how Trump wins in 2024. He lost, badly, in 2020 and that’s with the incumbent advantage. Now Biden has the incumbent advantage and isn’t restricted to campaigning from his basement because some asshole fucked up the response to a pandemic. Meanwhile Trump is hemorrhaging cash paying for lawyers to defend him from multiple ongoing and imminent criminal indictments. He’ll find time to hold his stupid rallies every couple of days but he will be distracted and unfocused (even for Trump). He’s performed worse than the last time every election since 2016 (2018 lost the house, 2020 lost the presidency and the senate, 2022 all his favored candidates lost and Rs didn’t get the Senate back and barely won the House).
The 2024 race is Biden’s to lose and unless there’s some sort of health issue that takes him out or there’s a huge scandal that actually has some substance to it, I think he walks away with it.
Straw polls are pretty close right now. While I like to hope that Biden would win, since Biden has been pretty innocuous–not good, not bad, just more of the same normalcy that we had prior to Trump–that’s just not a sure thing.
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I want to believe, I really do. But people were saying this prior to him winning the first election… And the second.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t get elected 🤞
Well except he lost his second election due to his first presidency being a failure. Since then it’s only gotten worse for him so I’d say his odds of winning are even lower than the second election.
I think it’s more the pandemic that contributed to the Democrats winning the presidency, also the margins are so small with most voters locked in. Hopefully Trump doesn’t pull through but I doubt the Rs are picking anyone else to run. Historical chances usually the incumbent wins.
i hate biden so much for fucking my life so permanently that the perverse side of me wants trump to win because my career and financial stability has improved DRAMATICALLY, directly because of trumps actions when he was president.
i’m not going to vote for biden and will do everything in my power to advocate for voting against biden to everyone i know (and i’ve recently been deeply touched to learn that it works because they know and care for me on a personal level); but this time i won’t hold it against them if any for trump.
I’m curious. Can you explain how exactly Biden being president has fucked your “life so permanently”?
Also, how did your career and financial stability improve DRAMATICALLY solely because of Trump?
copy/pasted from previous interaction: *he supported doma, dont-ask-dont-tell, and spearheaded permanent student loan debt.
so when i graduated high, school military service was not an option because because of don’t-ask-don’t-tell and my parents were migrant farm workers who had no provisions for me. so the only option left to me was to go to college where i racked up enough permanently undischargable student loan debt that grew exponentially between the 2008 and covid collapses thanks to biden’s student loan debt bill. I’ll be paying for it for the rest of my life as a result.
between 2008 and covid, i wanted to marry another immigrant who had no legal status and, thanks to doma, i couldn’t marry and sponsor him so he got deported. he moved on and got married when it was politically convenient for biden to decide that gay marriage was okay and i’m too old of an incouragable fart to date.*
And my financial stability improved because his dipshit unilateral embargoes and actions forced companies to react and I’ve been one of the beneficiaries of those reactions at a time when it was clear that my industry was turtling to protect their bank accounts.
Trump presided during a time of relatively stable economic recovery shortly after the last speculative bubble burst. I don’t believe the two major parties are that different on the economic front, they’re basically supported by the same donors and none of their policies really affect the status quo. For the US voter they offer a choice between different culture war factions, which is basically how it’s been since Reagan.
Oh yeah, the economy. Whether or not it’s his fault, Biden will most likely be held ‘guilty’ by the court of public opinion for the current economic crisis.
…But they aren’t. Trump currently leads in polls for the Republican nomination by something like 30 points over DeSantis (who I think would be even worse than Trump). The next closest contender, Vivek Ramaswamy, is currently polling in the single digits.
Moreover, the people that vote in primaries do not look like the people that vote in general elections; primaries are going to attract people with the strongest political feelings, and those tend to be Trump loyalists.
And finally, Republican primaries are won by plurality, not majority. Trump won the primaries in 2016 by consistently winning 35% or so of the vote, with three other candidates splitting the rest. Even if Trump was the last place candidate by the remaining 65% of Republican primary voters, he still won because he was the first choice for 35% or so. If Republicans did ranked-choice primaries, he’d probably lose. But they don’t, and they won’t.
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Per my prior comment, in straw polls, Biden and Trump are pretty closely matched. Trump has a larger unfavorability rating (which is good if you don’t want him re-elected), but their favorability ratings are pretty damn close. Definitely way too close for me.
I’m not a Biden fan; I’d much rather see Cornell West running as the Democratic nominee, rather than as a Green (not that he’s electable, given Republicans). But I would far, far rather see Biden than Trump. Neither one gets the country where it needs to be, but Trump is actively working to make the country worse. If people think that Trump doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning–which is what happened in 2016–then they’ll get complacent. Every goddamned person in this country needs to understand that Trump is an existential threat, much like the heat dome over 1/2 of the US.
Yes and bearing in mind that at this point justice is probably considered a “woke” concept and he’ll get cheered on.
We’re definitely seeing that in the conservative bubble; that why anyone that wants to be in serious contention for the Republican nomination has to say that it’s a “witch hunt”.
Personally, I wish it was; I’d love to see Trump pressed with stones until he confessed.
I’m worried that this is getting dragged out so long that he might actually have a chance of becoming president again. If that happens, then couldn’t he just pardon himself?
Two words. Constitutional Cris.
That’s a joke by the way. As if those two words meant anything after his first term.
In federal cases, yes. In state cases, no.
He will not be elected again lol
I wish I was as optimistic as you are. Underestimating him is how we got him in the first place.
I’m not underestimating him as much as I know there are other things in play today that were not in play then. The Republicans won’t nominate him. There would be too much fallout later. They will lose all footing in the future if they did that. And there has not been any president that won, lost, then won again.
there has not been any president that won, lost, then won again.
Sample size is too small to make any generalizations about this.
Yea. I never did any problems in statistics with a sample size of 20 to 50.
