It is the first cave to be discovered on the Moon and could protect astronauts from radiation.
  • sylver_dragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    98·
    5 months ago

    Tens of thousands of years of progress from humans living in caves so that humans can live in caves, on the Moon.

    • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      5 months ago

      Until Lunar Plato frees himself from the cave and sees the world as it truly is… then returns and quietly sits back down because it’s a barren wasteland.

  • magnetosphere@fedia.io
    173·
    5 months ago

    I’m skeptical that we’ll establish a long-term presence on the moon, or even visit. We’ll be too busy trying to survive the living hell our governments and corporations have created.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    2315·
    5 months ago

    Y’know we got about ten years before the extinction event we caused catches up with us, right. Moon and Mars fantasies are just that.

    • Catpurrple@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      143·
      5 months ago

      Yeah? So give up on this frivolous stuff and do… what exactly? Spend 10 years redirecting everyone’s efforts into building mausoleums and tombs so we can all hop in in 2034? What are the NASA guys, or the European space agency people, meant to do in relation to the climate crisis and looming extinction event? Rocket science isn’t biology, isn’t climate science (though launched satellites and the like do help with researching it), isn’t geopolitics.

      You give me the same vibe as gamers whining about a game’s art team making assets for cosmetic dlcs instead of adding story content or fixing game bugs or something, when they literally cannot do anything about those other things because it’s outside their jurisdiction.

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        73·
        5 months ago

        You’re right space agencies have no resources or skills which could be tasked with mitigating the climate crisis. Particularly any skills around creating sustainable living on the moon. Buncha liquid propulsion trigonometry nerds.

        Dunno what i was thinking.

      • person420@lemmynsfw.com
        31·
        5 months ago

        I get your point and agree but it’s worth mentioning that NASA and the ESA are very much involved in climate sciences. It’s like one of the main things they do.

    • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
      107·
      5 months ago

      Yep, let’s just keep the charade up. Keep doing this and sending so much blue origin and spacex trash into low earth orbit.

      • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        5 months ago

        Blue Origin’s rockets have never been to low earth orbit.

        And Starlink can hardly be considered trash, it enables internet for millions of customers.

        • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
          12·
          5 months ago

          It is absolutely trash. Millions of customers at the expense of billions of people. More and more space trash comes down every year, under the blessing of international space treaties and not under much scrutiny. What it will do to our atmosphere is not studied yet and Starlink gives zero fucks.

          • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            5 months ago

            Do the study then. We typically do not prevent people from high speed internet access on merely the suspicion of problems.

            There’s some work already on this topic, mostly unclear results so far. Right now we’re seeing roughly a 2% increase in stratospheric aerosols due to anthropogenic origin. One study notes that the increased aluminum oxides in the stratosphere actually protect against global warming, while the biological effects are still being studied, possibly affecting mental health.

            Obviously we need to be cautious with our planet, so I expect far more studies to clarify this effect.

            • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
              11·
              5 months ago

              OK I’ll just go do a study.

              Increased aluminum oxides are a very short term effect and mask the long lasting effects of CO2 and CH4 so we need to stop spouting that industry nonsense.

              • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                5 months ago

                It’s not a short term effect if the atmospheric change becomes permanent due to increased reentry mass, obviously. The “short term” argument refers to geoengineering by direct injection. I’m not suggesting we do this however - like I said there are indicators that the extra aerosols might be affecting mental health. Besides, like you said, direct carbon reduction is a much more sustainable path to fixing climate change.

  • over_clox@lemmy.world
    2222·
    5 months ago

    Meanwhile, we can’t even fix the homeless problem right here on Earth, despite the abundance of available housing…

    • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
      191·
      5 months ago

      Completely different revenue streams, academic expertise, decision making possibilities, etc.

      It’s not that we blew our paycheck on space shit and can’t house everyone. We fucked up on the homeless for completely detached reasons. There’s more than enough money

    • dactylotheca@suppo.fiEnglish
      141·
      5 months ago

      We could fix it, we just don’t want to.

      Some of us do want to, sure, but clearly not the people with the power to do anything about it

    • witx@lemmy.sdf.org
      163·
      5 months ago

      This is the type of argument I expect to see on Facebook by their mostly uneducated crowds. But here on Lemmy? I thought we were a bit better than that and more rational…

      These are completely independent scenarios, with different funding streams, with different problems, solutions and so on.

    • sazey@lemmy.world
      51·
      5 months ago

      damn, if only there was some way to do more than one thing at one time.

  • kikutwo@lemmy.world
    35·
    5 months ago

    Yes, humanity shall survive in a 900 ft deep cave. Right after we ministurize ourselves and everything we need with the Acme ray gun.