I know that it’s popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He’s old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting “Christian” Nationalists.

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    Any call for sticking with a candidate with these poll numbers BEFORE the convention is a paid operation by Russians trying to get Trump elected.

    *I don’t actually think you’re a bot, just preemptively using that argument when I know the idiots trying to tether us to an egotistical, genocidal asshole that will lose to Trump will call me a bot for pointing out correctly that Biden will lose.

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        No one in this post is telling anyone to not vote, we just don’t want Biden because we don’t think he can win. Everyone in here will vote for Biden if he’s the candidate.

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            Sorry, I didn’t see you participating in the post. Most of the other people posting in here seem at least committed to stopping Trump from seizing power, but I understand if you feel it’s more important to vote your conscience.

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            Because of the other guy gets in, he’ll show Israel what-for. Right? Otherwise that’s masturbatory virtue-signalling.

            Do not let a fascist take power just so you can pat yourself on the back for contributing nothing.

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                  Trump and Biden, or rather Democrats and Republicans, are functionally the same. If you don’t see that it’s either because you aren’t affected by their violence and don’t care about people who are, or because you’re a fool. Quit wasting your time on these dead ends and recognize reality, the bourgeoisie are the only people with real power in the US. Any choices the masses are given electorally that may come to pass are insignificant to the greater capitalist and imperialist power structure. At most they are concessions (which can later be rolled back) to pacify you. Stop being the obedient dog of your owners! If you really want to improve this dumpster fire of a country, join your local communist party and start building the foundation for a better future. And for fucks sake, read some books about how capitalism works so you stop getting caught with your pants down. If you actually care at all and want some recommendations or links I’d be happy to provide what I can.

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                    Both sides, says one side.

                    The true genius does nothing and feels smug about it. Don’t we know voting is a blood oath?

                    Hey look, the block button.

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        Fun fact, it’s looking increasingly likely that Biden steps down this weekend.

        Your sanctimonious image apply to the entire DNC?

        P.s. you don’t get to be this dismissive about other people views, and this wrong about reality too. One or the other, not both. Might want to consider your process of thinking if you’re so much a follower that you continue to be this cult like as your leaders go in a different direction.

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        I see it’s really convenient being a Biden supporter, you don’t even need any valid arguments, just call everyone a “Russian bot” and you’ve won the discussion (that is, in the opinion of other Biden supporters) xD

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            Hello another guy without valid arguments :)

            I’ll take the bait though, after what time an account is old enough to be credible in your opinion?

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          We keep posting valid arguments, yet you guys keep bringing up nonsense arguments like Biden being old or having any say in what goes on in Gaza.

          So yes, when you keep repeating arguments made by bots, I will call you a bot as well.

          Ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku on how much you love Russia.

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            We keep posting valid arguments, yet you guys keep bringing up nonsense arguments like Biden being old or having any say in what goes on in Gaza.

            Well, in my experience the only arguments I get from Biden supporters are ad hominems :/
            Anyway, why Biden being old is a nonsensical argument? Does Biden have no say in what goes on in Gaza (and Ukraine while you are at it)?

            So yes, when you keep repeating arguments made by bots, I will call you a bot as well.

            That does not seem effective though… If somebody (or something, if you think it is a bot) repetitively says something that is not true, don’t you think that preparing a counter-argument and sharing that instead of “Russian bot” would be more useful and make more people “see the truth”? :)

            Ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku on how much you love Russia.

            I’m not really a creative person, so I’ve asked duckduckgo’s AI, it came up with this ;)

            In the land of snow,
            Russia's beauty steals my heart,
            Love forever grows.
            

            Dunno if this haiku is good though 🤷‍♂️

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            Wow, all those words to ignore the most important point if Trump is the existential threat that the DNC says he is.

            BIDEN CAN’T WIN.

            Now, I actually do believe that Trump is that level of a threat, even if the DNC doesn’t. So I want ANYONE but Biden to be Democratic Nominee. But he isn’t, yet. We still have time to pick someone to beat Trump.

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            Many of those have nothing to do with Biden’s performance (this covers almost half):

            • job growth etc - this is just the pandemic “ending” and NCOV2019 becoming endemic, it has absolutely nothing to do with what Biden did
            • American Rescue Plan - sure, and I’m pretty sure Trump would’ve done the same, given that he pushed for getting the vaccine available
            • Americans are no longer deployed overseas - are we not counting Iraq and surrounding regions? Also, Trump initiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden’s only real contribution here was to delay but still withdraw, but he did withdraw (that’s a fantastic thing)

            Then the “meh”:

            • judges confirmed - isn’t that just… business as usual? When positions open, they need to be filled
            • black women in Court of Appeals, LGBT/Native American in cabinet - okay? Assuming they were the best people for the job, it’s not really something I’d reelect a president for
            • climate investments - how effective have those investments been? I don’t know the specifics, but 8 charging stations have been built; that’s… not great

            And the notable:

            • infrastructure bill - I’m not super familiar with it, but I’m guessing a lot of the rest are related to this
            • most Americans with health care - is this related to something he did? If so, that’s cool.
            • clean water - aside from random horror stories like Flint, MI, clean water really isn’t something I think about

            But the majority of those are legislative actions, not something the president does directly, other than sign bills into law. Here’s what I do expect the president to do:

            • diplomacy - diplomacy with Hamas and Israel, Ukraine and Russia, Iran, and China has been pretty bad; we’re closer than ever to war with China and Iran
            • balance the budget - yes, the president doesn’t control what Congress authorizes, but the executive branch has a lot of say in what that budget ought to be; the deficit is still massive, and I haven’t seen a lot of evidence of cuts (2023 was higher than 2022), and borrowing rates are quite high
            • pardons - resolving Julian Assange’s legal issues was a good start, but what about Edward Snowden? Ross Ulbricht?

            Trump is, perhaps, worse on the above (though he promised to free Ross Ulbricht), but that doesn’t make Biden good. And Biden being older and less capable means he’ll probably have a harder time doing the first two.

            Biden is… mediocre at best, he doesn’t really excite anyone. Trump is different, so maybe he’s appealing to undecided voters, idk. For me, I live in a state that’s essentially fixed on who will win here, so I’ll be voting third party because I think that’s the most valuable use of my vote.

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            Sounds like Biden is likely to resign this weekend. I guess the entirety of the Democratic party is russian bots, right?

            You might want to think through the thought process that lead you to be so wrong about what was happening, and why you ended up being a follower while the people you were following were deciding to go in the opposite direction.

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              Yeah they’ve (Biden supporters) have been claiming those in party calling for him to get out are deep republican or Russian plants…

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        So, is the DNC entirely staffed by Russian bots?

        Is Biden a Russian bot?

        You were/are completely wrong. Please take a moment and consider the assumptions and ways of thinking that lead you to be this wrong.