cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17821531
I usually avoid politics on this community but thought this article kinda fit
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17821531
I usually avoid politics on this community but thought this article kinda fit
“Keep doing the counterproductive thing” is a terrible argument.
Acknowledging their change is fine. Celebrating it and plastering it on the news gives reasonable people false hope that most conservatives can be reasoned with when it is apparent conservstives have a tiny chance to change when it happens to them directly.
Or, wild idea’ when it happens to people they know.
And how does being mean to potential allies get more votes?
Acknowledging without celebrating is being mean?
Now you’re just playing with definitions.
No, people just keep replying to what they think I mean instead of the words I am typing.
Putting someone’s decision to be slightly less shitty as a reason things are looking up is celebrating them. No, they don’t fucking deserve a headline for being slightly less shitty because of a personal connection to the issue. That is such a selfish reason to change.
Or, some MAGoo who has turned their back on their own LBGTA+ kid sees the headline and reconsiders their choices.
Most people don’t have a sudden revelation that changes them overnight. It’s usually a long, slow erosion of their old ideas.
If you want to win elections you do whatever it takes to build up the coalition. If that means latecomers get a big welcome then it’s a tiny price to pay.
Fuck old bigots, they can’t die off fast enough.
Young people being open minded is what we should celebrate.
It’s like you refuse to understand how elections work.
Also, a lot of those ‘old bigots’ are in their 40s and 50s; they’re going to be around for the next few decades. You may be happy waiting until 2044 for a big win, but most people aren’t
We aren’t going to win consistently by appeasing terrible people who can’t change for the better without being celebrated. They will backslide the moment they run into anything that reinforces their bigotry if they don’t keep getting praised for being a decent person in public.
I am in my 40s and have seen this multiple times, people temporarily stopping their bigotry for a while because of pressure from friends but then reverting the moment some bigoted group makes them feel good about their bigotry again.
The only ones that overcome their negative influences long term are the ones who actually felt bad about how they acted in the past.
So what you’re saying is “perfection over progress”.
So tell me, last time a vote didn’t go perfectly your way, you took up arms and corrected the mistake of your government by force, yes?
How did that go?
Did you mean to respond to a different post?
Tell me if I wrong but if you show that won’t there also be a positive effect for people who need that last bit of push to finally see it?
You are thinking of reasonable people.
Only changing when it personally affects them is confirmation that positive reinforcement doeson’t work on bigots. Shame barely kept them from being publicly shitty for a couple of decades, but that was more than positive reinforcement.
hardcore bigots would’ve shunned the grandkid instead
Yes, hardcore bigots would have. These are everyday normal bigots who probably shifted on one personal issue and otherwise still hold onto the rest of their shitty views.