• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    AI biases are a problem in certain domains such as social interactions. I don’t really see how this applies to the domain of managing supply chains.

    Most of the problems in western world stem from the fact that it’s driven by capitalism, as opposed to being a byproduct of central planning. China uses central planning at a far greater scale than the west, and it’s pretty clear they’re getting very different outcomes as a result of having a different political system.

    Decentralization has advantages in some areas and centralization has advantages in others. The reality is that either extreme is not likely to produce good results. The real problem is that capitalism works in the interest of capitalists who are a tiny minority. This will be the case as long as capitalism remains the dominant global ideology, and that’s where the focus should be.

    When capitalism is abolished it will be possible to try all kinds of different socialist systems, and see which ones perform better. I would always caution against dogmatism. We should always assess the current situation and come up with solutions that fit the problems at hand. This will always be an evolving situation. Sometimes more centralization will make sense and sometimes it will be better to decentralize. The current pandemic is a perfect example where a centralized effort in China is working much better than ad hoc efforts across the western world.

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      Exactly, I agree 100%, trying all kinds of socialist systems is out of question though. Changing systems requires lots of blood and isn’t cheap. Thinking about most stable socialism systems wrt time, which is super tough, is required and be chosen.

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      Most of the problems in western world stem from the fact that it’s driven by capitalism, as opposed to being a byproduct of central planning.

      Capitalism is a form of central planning. The State sets guidelines and regulations, and oligarchs set directions for their economic empires. So it’s a multi-party centralized planning, but it’s certainly not decentralized: the workers/users have no say in whatever happens.

      Sometimes more centralization will make sense and sometimes it will be better to decentralize.

      Centralization is dangerous. It creates power structures and incentives to abuse them. Of coursing pooling together resources is a good thing, but in my opinion this must always be consented by every involved party, as in a federation. If a few communes that get along fine want to cooperate on some projects, fine… but if some people start imposing on a commune to behave in a certain manner (as the USSR did by replacing Soviet power with State power), then that’s a situation of abuse/exploitation.

      The current pandemic is a perfect example where a centralized effort in China is working much better than ad hoc efforts across the western world.

      I don’t know much about the pandemic in China, but i know in France the pandemic response was a centralized one, and a complete disaster. Not that it’s wrong because it’s a centralized response, but it certainly does not help that the State attacked decentralized initiatives such as fining/arresting people making free food distributions in popular neighborhoods.

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        Capitalism is a form of central planning. The State sets guidelines and regulations, and oligarchs set directions for their economic empires. So it’s a multi-party centralized planning, but it’s certainly not decentralized: the workers/users have no say in whatever happens.

        Again, as I’ve already said, the problem with capitalism has nothing to do with central planning. The issue is that the goal of work is to produce capital for the business owners as opposed to social value for the society.

        Centralization is dangerous. It creates power structures and incentives to abuse them.

        Decantralization is also dangerous because it makes it difficult to carry out large scale coordinated efforts. As I’ve already pointed out, problems like the pandemic or the global climate crisis require large scale planning and coordination that is difficult or impossible to achieve via federated efforts.

        don’t know much about the pandemic in China, but i know in France the pandemic response was a centralized one, and a complete disaster.

        The pandemic response in China stopped the pandemic. The reason the response in France failed was due to the fact that the government of France represents the interests of capitalists, and France had the same response as every other capitalist nation. All the examples of centralized efforts producing positive outcomes are found in socialist countries which are China, Cuba and Vietnam.

        To sum up, problems of capitalism are tangential to the problems of centralization and decentralization. Centralization can produce good outcomes only within a system that’s meant to serve the interests of the majority. And, as I’ve stated in a prior comment, in practice you likely want a combination of centralized and decentralized efforts to leverage the strengths of both where appropriate.