Kind of amazing to hear Israel or the US described as a belligerent in this conflict, given the events of October 7th. It’s pretty plain that publishing propaganda like this is the aim of Al Jazeera.
Leftists see a legitimate opportunity to call out legitimate human rights abuses and horrible genocide being perpetrated by a right wing movement, but just calling it out isn’t enough. Instead, the heinous action of terrorists have to be justified as the fulfillment of a historical materialism narrative that is of itself rooted in defending a colonialist Arab empire that committed it’s own fair share of genocide.
Israel-Palestine truly is the place where western politics goes to die. A problem that remains unsolvable because of everyone’s refusal to abandon their own ideological biases. So the region just devolves into two groups slaughtering each other. Going to lose some internet points for this take, but leftism won’t save us.
We don’t have downvotes, dipshit. What you’re gonna get is explanations why you’re wrong as well as the childish name calling you deserve. I’m gonna do the latter, you’re a nuance seeking creep who’s understanding of the world will always be comparing reality to so.e perfect fiction you’ve invented in your head. You also dress bad and your house smells weird. Take a fucking hike ya baloney
The UN upholds Palestinian armed resistance as legitimate and Israeli occupation as illegitimate. To cite a general assembly resolution on the rights of occupied peoples from the early 80s:
Deeply shocked and alarmed at the deplorable consequences of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and recalling all the relevant resolutions of the Security Council, in particular resolutions 508 (1982) of 5 June 1982, 509 (1982) of 6 June 1982, 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982 and 521 (1982) of 19 September 1982,
Calls upon all States to implement fully and faithfully all the resolutions of the United Nations regarding the exercise of the right to self-determination and independence by peoples under colonial and foreign domination;
Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;
Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national unity and sovereignty without foreign interference;
Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;
The occupation is not “unsolvable”. The only reason it’s even a problem is because the US has done the math and worked out that they value the geopolitical utility of the continued existence of the (fascist, colonialist, genocidal) Israeli state over the continued existence of the Palestinian people. The solution is to make the occupation too costly (politically or militarily) for the US such that they cease their support and the Israeli state is allowed to be destroyed.
October 7th was actually a preemptive strike against the American-backed Israeli regime. The concept that this conflict is just “too complicated” is Knesset propaganda, and the genocidal actions of its troops on the ground must be justified to a western audience through browbeating and misinformation. Truly, the apartheid regime that occupies Palestine is where personal morals for liberals go to die.
oct 7 could barely even be considered “preemptive,” even before that date 2023 was already the deadliest year to that point for palestinian children since israel’s founding iirc
It also had a very clear objective that was limited in scope (capture PoW and hostages to trade for Palestinians currently held in rape/torture-camps where they get surgery without anesthetics and often aren’t even charged with anything) so not a futile attempt at vengeance or terrorism, but a guerilla/military action against an armed occupying force aimed in the service of liberation. Fully justified under international law
compare that to the IDF’s response which is collective punishment, genocidal actions, carpet-bombing entire neighborhoods, killing hostages, torturing doctors, murdering aid-workers and journalists and ramping up general settler violence in the West Bank and other places.
It’s abundantly clear who the worst actor is here.
Sure there are ideological biases, but it is a conflict perpetuated for material interests regardless of ideology. Quoting CommieJones:
isisrael is a research and development arm of the capitalist anglo-westoid’s colonial, white supremacist, fascist, military industrial complex. It is a long term social/geopolitical/military experiment to test the viability of a fascist-colonial settler state.
There have been plenty of ideological conflicts that weren’t ongoing for decades, this conflict is stuck because of the financial and political benefits that the wealthy in related industries gain from it.
A problem that remains unsolvable because of everyone’s refusal to abandon their own ideological biases.
If only people could become less polarized they would be perfect little centrists like me, not a single ideology rattling around my skull. No biases here, no siree.
So the region just devolves into two groups slaughtering each other
It’s just tribalism and religion, no need to look at who colonized who, land ownership is just vibes after all (except when it’s ordained by God or the British), a six year old Gazan kid who gets pasted onto a wall by a 500 pound bomb is just as bad as the guy dropping said bomb
Kind of amazing to hear Israel or the US described as a belligerent in this conflict, given the events of October 7th. It’s pretty plain that publishing propaganda like this is the aim of Al Jazeera.
Leftists see a legitimate opportunity to call out legitimate human rights abuses and horrible genocide being perpetrated by a right wing movement, but just calling it out isn’t enough. Instead, the heinous action of terrorists have to be justified as the fulfillment of a historical materialism narrative that is of itself rooted in defending a colonialist Arab empire that committed it’s own fair share of genocide.
Israel-Palestine truly is the place where western politics goes to die. A problem that remains unsolvable because of everyone’s refusal to abandon their own ideological biases. So the region just devolves into two groups slaughtering each other. Going to lose some internet points for this take, but leftism won’t save us.
oh look, sparkling fascism
Cry about your downvotes somewhere else you pissbaby genocide minimizer, when people from Hexbear hate you we’ll say it with words.
No and kindly face the wall please.
We don’t have downvotes, dipshit. What you’re gonna get is explanations why you’re wrong as well as the childish name calling you deserve. I’m gonna do the latter, you’re a nuance seeking creep who’s understanding of the world will always be comparing reality to so.e perfect fiction you’ve invented in your head. You also dress bad and your house smells weird. Take a fucking hike ya baloney
This is an opinion totally based in ignorance. You should educate yourself.
I hadn’t seen this article yet…very concisely explains such a complex conflict so thanks! Saved to my bookmarks
If a guy is getting waterboarded and spits in the torturer’s face, the captive is the belligerent?
You probably would have blamed the Jewish people fighting against the nazis in the Warsaw ghetto too.
Oh look, a supporter of the Warsaw Intifada.
Woah man! An eye for an eye makes the world blind!
Why didn’t the jews just try to peacefully protest in the camps?
It’s pretty plan you don’t have eyes to see, or you’re incredibly dishonest.
Oh piss off, people like you need to be thrown into a fucking pit
What century are we living in again? Medieval “colonies” are nothing like industrial-era colonies
The UN upholds Palestinian armed resistance as legitimate and Israeli occupation as illegitimate. To cite a general assembly resolution on the rights of occupied peoples from the early 80s:
The occupation is not “unsolvable”. The only reason it’s even a problem is because the US has done the math and worked out that they value the geopolitical utility of the continued existence of the (fascist, colonialist, genocidal) Israeli state over the continued existence of the Palestinian people. The solution is to make the occupation too costly (politically or militarily) for the US such that they cease their support and the Israeli state is allowed to be destroyed.
You’re right, leftism won’t save us, if by us you mean people like you. Consider embracing that and making the world better off
October 7th was actually a preemptive strike against the American-backed Israeli regime. The concept that this conflict is just “too complicated” is Knesset propaganda, and the genocidal actions of its troops on the ground must be justified to a western audience through browbeating and misinformation. Truly, the apartheid regime that occupies Palestine is where personal morals for liberals go to die.
oct 7 could barely even be considered “preemptive,” even before that date 2023 was already the deadliest year to that point for palestinian children since israel’s founding iirc
It also had a very clear objective that was limited in scope (capture PoW and hostages to trade for Palestinians currently held in rape/torture-camps where they get surgery without anesthetics and often aren’t even charged with anything) so not a futile attempt at vengeance or terrorism, but a guerilla/military action against an armed occupying force aimed in the service of liberation. Fully justified under international law
compare that to the IDF’s response which is collective punishment, genocidal actions, carpet-bombing entire neighborhoods, killing hostages, torturing doctors, murdering aid-workers and journalists and ramping up general settler violence in the West Bank and other places.
It’s abundantly clear who the worst actor is here.
You must be mistaken. Nobody here is justifying the IOF.
I dunno, I think these people are solving this problem pretty well.
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heinous acts of terroristsJustified and moral resistance actionSure there are ideological biases, but it is a conflict perpetuated for material interests regardless of ideology. Quoting CommieJones:
There have been plenty of ideological conflicts that weren’t ongoing for decades, this conflict is stuck because of the financial and political benefits that the wealthy in related industries gain from it.
I want you to hold Uranium for 12-16 hours
If only people could become less polarized they would be perfect little centrists like me, not a single ideology rattling around my skull. No biases here, no siree.
It’s just tribalism and religion, no need to look at who colonized who, land ownership is just vibes after all (except when it’s ordained by God or the British), a six year old Gazan kid who gets pasted onto a wall by a 500 pound bomb is just as bad as the guy dropping said bomb