/genq. I don’t live in the west, but I am curious about this.

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    It’s intersectional. It’s partially white ignorance, most whites didn’t see the shit Black women go through; the voices of white women were elevated because of their whiteness so their own concerns came first in the public discourse; Black women were rationally reluctant to raise their own voices in the face of white terrorism; Blackness has been coded as masculine and male by white society to better superexploit their physical labor; increasing the population of Black labor was no longer seen as desirable by white society after the end of slavery, Black women were doubly undesirable for both being Black and giving birth to Black babies; white women believed they could easier acheive their own liberation by focusing only on themselves and excluding Black women.

    Angela Davis keeps mentioning “All the Women Are White, All the Blacks Are Men, But Some of Us Are Brave” so I probably should read that at some point.

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      It’s partially white ignorance, most whites didn’t see the shit Black women go through; the voices of white women were elevated because of their whiteness so their own concerns came first in the public discourse; Black women were rationally reluctant to raise their own voices in the face of white terrorism;

      ok, this explains it

      Blackness has been coded as masculine and male by white society to better superexploit their physical labor

      …and i’m back to being utterly baffled because i’m not understanding the rationale behind people labeling blackness as “masculine” and whiteness as “feminine”. makes zero sense to me to genderize(?) a whole race/group of people like they’re a completely different alien species.

      increasing the population of Black labor was no longer seen as desirable by white society after the end of slavery

      now this gets me wondering, did white people back then try to control the reproductive rights of black people (or even kill black children or force black couples into aborting their children) to achieve this goal?

      white women believed they could easier acheive their own liberation by focusing only on themselves and excluding Black women.

      …yeah, i’m calling cap on their belief. i don’t think white guys could care less if you included black women or not. i don’t think they’d still be willing to give you rights or treat you as every other human being.

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        now this gets me wondering, did white people back then try to control the reproductive rights of black people (or even kill black children or force black couples into aborting their children) to achieve this goal?

        I don’t know about doing it on purpose, but the Tuskegee syphilis experiment comes to mind as one of the ways the result was that. You can also argue that condemning black people to poverty and misery through policing the black body (by segregation, white terrorism, objectification, etc.) is a way to make sure they weren’t able to exercise their reproductive rights freely. Really hard to have a fulfilled family life when everything you’ve ever known regarding your own body is brutalization.

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        now this gets me wondering, did white people back then try to control the reproductive rights of black people (or even kill black children or force black couples into aborting their children) to achieve this goal?

        while modern Planned Parenthood has more-or-less moved beyond its racist roots, the organization’s founder, Margaret Sanger, was a eugenicist and aligned herself with racist arguments to further the cause of birth control.

        so, yes, white people did try to control, or at least influence, the reproductive decisions of black women.

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        makes zero sense to me to genderize(?) a whole race/group of people like they’re a completely different alien species

        Leave it to crackkkers to achieve groundbreaking new heights when it comes to racism

        i’m not understanding the rationale behind people labeling blackness as “masculine” and whiteness as “feminine”.

        My best guess is that the origin of the idea is slavery itself. Work was seen as inherently masculine (women at home don’t do real work of course), so the bodies of slaves that were seen as tools for work were therefore also perceived as inherently more masculine