• The Octonaut
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    6 hours ago

    As an Irish person, you can’t end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. “Kill the rebels” every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.

      • The Octonaut
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        2 hours ago

        Stop making violence the only thing you’ll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland).

        It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the “both sides” of today - were on the fringe.

        Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are.

        The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten.

      • msage@programming.dev
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        2 hours ago

        Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that.

        But that would require actual good will.

        • jimbolauski@lemm.ee
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          1 hour ago

          Your fatal assumption is that the Palestinians want peace too. They were given pipes to create water lines, they turned the pipes into rockets. You can’t have piece when neither side wants it.

          • Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works
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            13 minutes ago

            This is what most westerners don’t understand. The Gazans were given everything they need in order to create a better future for themselves. Instead of investing in infrastructure and education they went all in on digging terror tunnels, manufacturing rockets and brainwashing their children.

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      2 hours ago

      This sound like survivorship bias. We got rid of plenty of terrorists with violence you just don’t know about them because they’re gone

      • The Octonaut
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        2 hours ago

        Well yes, the only way to erase a nation or culture’s hatred of your violence is with enough violence to literally genocide them.

        But there really aren’t that many. You just put it down for a generation until it comes back, usually with a different name.