(Image from the 1977 504 sit-in.)

Welcome to the first weekly disabled community discussion thread for the week of 10/28/2024 — 11/3/2024.

This community is brand new! Everyone is welcome to post new topics and comments. However, we ask that in order to participate in the weekly megathread, one self-identifies as some form of disabled, which is broadly defined in the community sidebar:

“Disability” is an umbrella term which encompasses physical disabilities, emotional/psychiatric disabilities, neurodivergence, intellectual/developmental disabilities, sensory disabilities, invisible disabilities, and more. You do not have to have an official diagnosis to consider yourself disabled.


Disabled people in the U.S. today experience a poverty rate of approximately 30 percent; comprise 40 percent of the total homeless population; have an active labor market participation rate of less than 20 percent, despite self-reporting a preference to do so at a rate well over 60 percent. Hundreds of thousands of disabled people remain today living in institutional or carceral environments, such as nursing homes or prisons, where conditions tend towards the cruel or barbaric.

Thus, when we ask the question, what is disability, we are not really providing a full answer if we only talk about physiology, biology, or even identity reduced to a cataloging of manifest limitations or functional deficits. In fact, disability – or, to put it perhaps more accurately, disablement – is a dialectical phenomenon arising from existing political, economic, and social relations in society.

While variations in human bodies, minds, and behaviors – up to and including those traits which might be termed ‘impairments’ – have always been an indelible and essential aspect of the human species, disability as we have come to understand it in the modern era is neither eternal nor transhistorical.

The notion that a group of people – with a vast array of completely different traits, capacities, morphologies, and phenotypes – could be lumped together and labeled according to their relative lack of generalized “ability,” in the abstract, is in fact endemic to the particular period of more recent human history signaled by the emergence and dominance of the capitalist mode.

Specifically, what is the relationship between disabled people and the working class, as such?

… we should hold an expansive conception of disability, which understands it both in terms of class location, but also more generally as a phenomenon less immediately relevant to the positions of the classes than to the processes intrinsic to the relations of the classes. In other words, centering the analysis of disability on the processes of labor commodification, exploitation of labor, market competition, and class division.

Put differently, the conditions that reproduce the division of society into separate classes, and in particular, reproduce that class of people whose lives are wholly determined by the commodified value that their labor power can purchase on the capitalist market, are the same conditions that reproduce a subclass of people whose very existence is diminished and devalued according to the relatively diminished and devalued worth of their labor power as measured by the logic of commodified market competition.

Insofar as the value of commodity labor power under capitalism is both a creation and a measure of the rate of exploitation obtaining in the market – that is, the rate at which capitalists can competitively extract surplus value from the productive labors of the working class – then the simple realities of human physiology, let alone the complex realities of biopolitics, mean that there will always be and must necessarily be a constant proportion of the working class whose commodified labor power manifests as a “disability,” with the attendant forms of oppression concomitant thereto.

The struggle against disability oppression should be seen as innately allied with all other struggles born of – and against – capitalist oppression. Specifically, disablement is a form of oppression arising from the system of exploitation of labor, and therefore the historical struggle of the working class against exploitation.

from Keith Rosenthal of Tempest Collective


Mask up, love one another, and stay alive for one more week.

  • Rojo27 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    12 hours ago

    Crush reacted to a meme I sent her to set myself up to ask her out, but didn’t actually answer if she wanted to go out or notbocchi-glitch

    Honestly the long wait and uncertainty probably would have broken me a lot worse a couple months ago, but I’m just going to try take this in stride. Just really want to hang out with her outside of work again since its been a whilekiryu-pain

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    21 hours ago

    The Social Security Administration thanks me for having two authentication factors and will provide me with a dead tree letter in 10-20 days that will allow me to actually use my account so I can begin the year+ long process of maybe getting SSI.

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      19 hours ago

      If I recall correctly it took me five months to be approved, and six weeks or more of that was because my doctor’s office was shit about corresponding with Social Security. (I got calls from SSA asking things like “Are you sure your doctor has a fax machine?”)

      So it’s possible that your wait won’t be a year+. Maybe it’s worse these days since Covid is causing a massive increase in the number of SSI applicants, but on the other hand it looks like the application process has been simplified in recent months.

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    21 hours ago

    Had some challenging conversations with my partner today about my internalised ableism (that’s mostly aimed at myself and nobody else (thankfully?)), very grateful for them & their insight

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    Had an interview with the shittiest company on the planet

    spoiler

    It’s Amazon

    It was the dumbest shit too. I applied for a driving position yesterday and within hours, had an interview lined up. Today was like 6 of us who interviews for holiday driver positions that are temp to hire and the dude hired us all. Very little in the way of actual interviewing. Even if it’s a crummy job I actually sort of wish more people would hire this way because fucking hell, 6 people got at least temporary jobs today. Just cut out the bullshit.

    I barely even “masked” too. Just was myself for the most part. Made a comment about how I have a BBA just like him and am trying to start my own business etc etc and I guess he liked that or something. Dude is laid back for being a corpo. It’s part time and temp but it’s money, right? He said it’s easy to do but physically demanding. I’ve done delivery stuff before and worked in factories. It’s gonna be hell on my body but once I get into it it shouldn’t be too bad.

    I have another interview tomorrow that I will need to heavily mask for, and one I’d rather do. It’s IT and they love their neurospicy folks, but don’t wanna hire them and don’t seem to want to accommodate them etc. Basically they all love the idea of it. It’s tech though. I’m good at IT, but not great. I’m fully aware of what level I stand at so I just need to try and sell myself a bit above that. It’s a 4 interview process tho so fuck me regardless.

    But…

    My brother-in-law just graduated and was handed a 6 figure job at our local power company and says he knows a guy and can probably get me in as a journeyman. I’m not sure if it’s a union job but this sort of thing usually is. It would be $15 an hour while I work on learning it all over the next 4 years but after that it’s basically a guaranteed 6 figures and all the hours I want. I’m asking him for the contact info now actually.

    I’m at a point in my life where I probably need to figure it out, get lucky, or just give up and go find a group of people to squat with. I feel like a leech in my own family because I’m not doing anything at all.

    • blipblip [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      19 hours ago

      Even if it’s not a union job you could probably take that experience and find one with a union later no? I know fuck all about trades so maybe I’m wrong. I’d say go for it if you can.

      • roux [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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        From what I heard, the company treats their journeymen well. Basically even without the union perks it would be a good gig. Just hard work in reward with job security out.

        The big hurdle is me coming to grips with pretty much dropping what I’ve been trying to work towards with the web dev thing all this year(very ND friendly if I can get it off the ground) and just going and working a normie job. I’m 41 now and it just seems potentially too late but I also have a way better understanding on where my burnout comes from and being able to work my own speed and being able to take breaks/days off when I want has been really nice over the last couple of months.

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          19 hours ago

          The peace of mind that comes with job security is very nice. I’ve stuck around at my current job for probably too long for my own good cause it’s easy and laid back for the most part, and seemingly nobody else knows how to do it at my company. Doesn’t pay enough for the cost of living though, if my living situation changed I might be fucked in the short term.

          Sorry to totally change topic on you, but I just realized we talked about ADHD meds for your kid and partner (iirc) a while back. They have any luck finding meds that worked for them?

          • roux [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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            18 hours ago

            Ayee. Nope both wife and kid are unmedicated still. I’ve given him some caffeine here and there though and that seems to help him but too late in the evening is a no go. I just haven’t been keeping on top of it. If/when financial situation changes, I’m considering keeping a stock of mini cans of soda for like 2 a day for him.

            We are mostly just keeping an eye on it. He’s showed a few signs of possible autism over the last few months though so it’s probably gonna get more interesting.

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              18 hours ago

              Sounds like you’ve got a lot on your plate, hope things work out for y’all.

              Make sure he’s on top of his teeth. I self medicated (unknowingly) with soda for years and wasn’t great about it and it did a number on my teeth, spooked me and quit the stuff but then wasn’t really functioning very well for years before someone was like hey you’re ADHD as fuck.

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                Brushing is something we’ve been trying to get going too. Like I really need to work on that with him. I have a ton going on and forget and she has the ADHD so it’s been a mess.

                I’m personally just now getting around to really taking care of my own because I got rewarded with the bone loss thing after years of poor hygiene.

                Thanks for the support ancom-heart

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    mental health

    just had a big crash and i haven’t left my house for basically anything in a week lol. probably not a great look when next friday is going to be one of the biggest moments in my “career” or whatever and i’m doing nothing to prepare for it

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    I’ve generally been a bit too exhausted to post recently, but I wanted to give a big thank you to everyone involved in setting this comm and mega up. It’s such a welcome addition to the site and I look forward to venting here about things that often require a lot of explanation when in the presence of able people.

    order-of-lenin

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      do you know which assessment protocol they’ll be using? I just had one done using MIGDAS-2; it was kind of an interview about how different aspects of it have affected my life, very laid-back structure that made jumping around to different thoughts and tangents easy to collect and redirect.

      I tried searching for info about the assessment protocol beforehand and could only find places to buy it, which made me very curious what other protocols are like and if they’re similarly obfuscated

      edit: oh shit oh fuck, I forgot she emailed me yesterday afternoon – I might have my results 😐 we’re supposed to discuss them Tuesday and she said she would send them a few days before so I had time to digest them and come up with thoughts and questions. genuinely afraid to look and might have to make my spouse do it 😂💀

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        First off, getting-assessed buddies! I feel the mix of emotions, it’s such a roller coaster. Hope everything ends up how you want it and you get some answers. I’m excited for you!

        I think that’s the same one I’ll be doing, but the setup is a little different; I have an immediate follow up session after the assessment to ask questions and talk things through, then 48 hrs after I get the yes/no answer an official written diagnosis will be provided. I really want to make an actual post about my experience once it’s over, because I wouldn’t have found this place without help from a fellow Hexbear after months of searching. This community that’s been so amazingly supportive and kind.

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        21 hours ago

        Right? I just sat down and tallied up my spending for the last month. I have only been able to do this for the last year. For the other 40ish years of my life it has been totally, utterly possible. For many years I drove myself to crying and distress just trying to add like 50 numbers together. And now thanks to the power of meth it’s easy. : |