Drive-by comments from these types are not the ones we’re gonna reach through. I’ve had more luck with my Trump neighbors than these types (made a post a while back and had more progress since then). They’re ignorant, smug and straight up having a meltdown over on Reddit right now; where this is from. It’s full fourth reich over there. Someone defending this is definitely not type to organize with.
I was having a decent conversation with another lib from lemmee; different than this type.
You seem to be both forgetting their perceved stakes, and more importantly you seem to be casting people off over relitivly minor. We dont have the luxury of deciding who we should or should not convert, they entered into the grad, we should work to bring them over rather than drive the wedge farther. I am not sure when the cool and hip thing was to carpet bag anyone who passes by, but thats going to convert noone, thats going to educate no one
Fair enough I suppose. I’ve had quite a few hostile experiences as of recent; my bad for bringing them over. Not sure why you perceive it as a “cool and hip” thing though, I was having a relatively decent conversation, as I said, with another lib. There are some I can stomach, some I can’t. Satirical racism, as a joke, is something I can choose to not associate myself with…better yet, I can get really fucking pissed at it. Same thing with those who defend it; because the whole thing…like the whole post (in unethicallifetips) even if it’s MEANT to be a joke or not is still really fucking gross.
So, I think I can at least get real fucking pissed at that. But understandably, I did have a bit of venom to it. Also. They literally came in being hostile “To the brilliant…”
I do not disagree that it is something that is angering and that you SHOULD be livid about you should. I am mostly worried that we are going to squander what is likely our best chance to organize, this is also a large tendency I have seen of pushing people away.
But what I see happening in the next few months is that we will be able to get blue team liberals after the sting of loss ends some of them will be receptive to new ideas because they will not be fed that everything is good, however we will be unable to do that if we have already alenated them all now. I can also start to see us able to get the red team liberals as trumps miriaculous economy turnaround fails to develop, agian assuming we do not alianate them now
I don’t snap at libs very often (twice since the election, which I’ll explain); which was the point of me bringing up my other civil conversation. Specific things like that make me want to, it’s just that post-election tensions have been running high and I’ve pretty much been filled with hatred at some of the fair-weather dems. I also had a few friends who went full scratch (one literally sent me a stonetoss meme) so the noticeable right-ward shift that I’ve seen just has me on edge. I was vitriolic and venomous, I get it and I do apologize about that.
I could be wrong too, maybe it is someone who might see more left-leaning views in the future. God knows I used to say dumb shit (14 year old lolbertarian at one point), but looking back now I’m also glad I had people to voice their abject disgust or tell me to fuck off instead of trying to make it seem acceptable by “negotiating” or “tolerating” it. That’s just me though, I can see your point otherwise.
It’s really hard to tell who actually means genuine or someone who is just a scratched lib brown-shirt doing a drive-by. So many out there.
In terms of squandering organization; I don’t think so. I’ll calm down probably after today and I’ll go back to posting memes, content pieces, etc. In real life I’ve been getting to know my community, or at least the neighbors around me, more and more and have reconnected with a few friends who’ve been curious about alternatives post-election; which has been a surprising feeling. Like I’ve said, I’ve had more success with clueless trumpers than I’ve had with ignorant, smug liberals who are going full fourth reich post-election.
I mean I can agree that the red team liberals have been usualy easier to convert and I am not entirly sure why, however I am not sure we should rely on that, and I did not mean to snap at you, though I relise I did, this has just been a trend I have been noticing that I think in the long term will bite us in the butt where I see people cown on any lib who walks in for any reason, and just assumes history will vendicate us with little work. I appolgise for flying off the handle
In a weird way, it forms a sort of “inclusivity” that is fiercely defended. It works to keep the worst out, but we do make mistakes. Even the best immune systems do that. At the same time, this does create a good safe-space for one, for two it also creates a sort of “cryptic appeal” that I’ve noticed amongst newer members. I felt the same.
Seeing the “cryptic appeal” was that there are people so passionate, so caring and quickly take up to this place was inspiring for me as someone who’s been a commie but never heard of this place. To newer people, I can see the appeal; if they aren’t already poisoned by propaganda.
A lot of these libs really do be drive-bying. Like I said, it’s just so hard to determine who is interested in actually discussing anything or just leaving a shitty comment. I hear you though, no worries.
Oh cool! Topped off with some racism!
@Deconceptualist@lemm.ee Very satirical funny racism. You fucking pathetic worm.
I get it, I get the feeling but if we want to think about organizing calling people pathetic worms is not going to help
Drive-by comments from these types are not the ones we’re gonna reach through. I’ve had more luck with my Trump neighbors than these types (made a post a while back and had more progress since then). They’re ignorant, smug and straight up having a meltdown over on Reddit right now; where this is from. It’s full fourth reich over there. Someone defending this is definitely not type to organize with.
I was having a decent conversation with another lib from lemmee; different than this type.
You seem to be both forgetting their perceved stakes, and more importantly you seem to be casting people off over relitivly minor. We dont have the luxury of deciding who we should or should not convert, they entered into the grad, we should work to bring them over rather than drive the wedge farther. I am not sure when the cool and hip thing was to carpet bag anyone who passes by, but thats going to convert noone, thats going to educate no one
Fair enough I suppose. I’ve had quite a few hostile experiences as of recent; my bad for bringing them over. Not sure why you perceive it as a “cool and hip” thing though, I was having a relatively decent conversation, as I said, with another lib. There are some I can stomach, some I can’t. Satirical racism, as a joke, is something I can choose to not associate myself with…better yet, I can get really fucking pissed at it. Same thing with those who defend it; because the whole thing…like the whole post (in unethicallifetips) even if it’s MEANT to be a joke or not is still really fucking gross.
So, I think I can at least get real fucking pissed at that. But understandably, I did have a bit of venom to it. Also. They literally came in being hostile “To the brilliant…”
I do not disagree that it is something that is angering and that you SHOULD be livid about you should. I am mostly worried that we are going to squander what is likely our best chance to organize, this is also a large tendency I have seen of pushing people away.
But what I see happening in the next few months is that we will be able to get blue team liberals after the sting of loss ends some of them will be receptive to new ideas because they will not be fed that everything is good, however we will be unable to do that if we have already alenated them all now. I can also start to see us able to get the red team liberals as trumps miriaculous economy turnaround fails to develop, agian assuming we do not alianate them now
I don’t snap at libs very often (twice since the election, which I’ll explain); which was the point of me bringing up my other civil conversation. Specific things like that make me want to, it’s just that post-election tensions have been running high and I’ve pretty much been filled with hatred at some of the fair-weather dems. I also had a few friends who went full scratch (one literally sent me a stonetoss meme) so the noticeable right-ward shift that I’ve seen just has me on edge. I was vitriolic and venomous, I get it and I do apologize about that.
I could be wrong too, maybe it is someone who might see more left-leaning views in the future. God knows I used to say dumb shit (14 year old lolbertarian at one point), but looking back now I’m also glad I had people to voice their abject disgust or tell me to fuck off instead of trying to make it seem acceptable by “negotiating” or “tolerating” it. That’s just me though, I can see your point otherwise.
It’s really hard to tell who actually means genuine or someone who is just a scratched lib brown-shirt doing a drive-by. So many out there.
In terms of squandering organization; I don’t think so. I’ll calm down probably after today and I’ll go back to posting memes, content pieces, etc. In real life I’ve been getting to know my community, or at least the neighbors around me, more and more and have reconnected with a few friends who’ve been curious about alternatives post-election; which has been a surprising feeling. Like I’ve said, I’ve had more success with clueless trumpers than I’ve had with ignorant, smug liberals who are going full fourth reich post-election.
I mean I can agree that the red team liberals have been usualy easier to convert and I am not entirly sure why, however I am not sure we should rely on that, and I did not mean to snap at you, though I relise I did, this has just been a trend I have been noticing that I think in the long term will bite us in the butt where I see people cown on any lib who walks in for any reason, and just assumes history will vendicate us with little work. I appolgise for flying off the handle
In a weird way, it forms a sort of “inclusivity” that is fiercely defended. It works to keep the worst out, but we do make mistakes. Even the best immune systems do that. At the same time, this does create a good safe-space for one, for two it also creates a sort of “cryptic appeal” that I’ve noticed amongst newer members. I felt the same.
Seeing the “cryptic appeal” was that there are people so passionate, so caring and quickly take up to this place was inspiring for me as someone who’s been a commie but never heard of this place. To newer people, I can see the appeal; if they aren’t already poisoned by propaganda.
A lot of these libs really do be drive-bying. Like I said, it’s just so hard to determine who is interested in actually discussing anything or just leaving a shitty comment. I hear you though, no worries.